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GNU nano is my editor of choice (2021)

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Re: GNU nano is my editor of choice (2021)

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Post by hulitu »

anonyme-honteux wrote: post #4

Using those kind of Unix tools is like having a time travel machine to understand what kind of mistakes you should never do when Iyou design a software. Not having system wide keyboard shortcuts is one of them: vim, emacs, nano etc all have a different shortcut to quit the app Worse still, every software invents his own configuration format. Thinking that being ultra configurable is a good excuse for not doing the ri…

> Not having system wide keyboard shortcuts is one of them: vim, emacs, nano etc all have a different shortcut to quit the app

Not even Microsoft has system wide keyboard shortcuts. And copy paste on Microsoft has become a game of luck.

Re: GNU nano is my editor of choice (2021)

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Post by DemocracyFTW2 »

Highly reminiscent of #378:

* nano? Real Programmers use emacs.

* Hey. Real Programmers use vim.

* Well, Real Programmers use ed.

* No, Real Programmers use cat.

* Real Programmers use a magnetized needle and a steady hand.

* Excuse me, but Real Programmers use butterflies. They open their hands and let the delicate wings flap once. The disturbances ripple outward, changing the flow of the eddy currents in the upper atmosphere. These cause momentary pockets of higher-pressure air to form, Which act as lenses that deflect incoming cosmic rays, focusing them to strike the drive platter and flip the desired bit.

Re: GNU nano is my editor of choice (2021)

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Post by wongarsu »

hulitu wrote: post #21
anonyme-honteux wrote: post #4

Using those kind of Unix tools is like having a time travel machine to understand what kind of mistakes you should never do when Iyou design a software. Not having system wide keyboard shortcuts is one of them: vim, emacs, nano etc all have a different shortcut to quit the app Worse still, every software invents his own configuration format. Thinking that being ultra configurable is a good excuse for not doing the ri…

> Not having system wide keyboard shortcuts is one of them: vim, emacs, nano etc all have a different shortcut to quit the app Not even Microsoft has system wide keyboard shortcuts. And copy paste on Microsoft has become a game of luck.

alt+f4, ctrl+s, ctrl+x/c/v, ctrl+z, ctrl+p all work near universally on windows. Up until Windows XP that was also true for F1, but shipping help files somehow got out of fashion. Of course there are exceptions, like conhost, but generally you don't have to think about how to save or quit something on windows

Re: GNU nano is my editor of choice (2021)

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Post by glandium »

mbork_pl wrote: post #20
sfx77 wrote: post #14

All of the old editors are horrible. Nano, vi, emacs... sure they might be conveniently placed, but are a pain to learn. This one is a vast improvement https://micro-editor.github.io/

How is Nano an "old editor"? It was released just a bit more than 20 years ago...

It's a clone of pico, which is 33 years old.

Re: GNU nano is my editor of choice (2021)

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Post by sfx77 »

b112 wrote: post #16
sfx77 wrote: post #14

All of the old editors are horrible. Nano, vi, emacs... sure they might be conveniently placed, but are a pain to learn. This one is a vast improvement https://micro-editor.github.io/

Wha?! Nothing matches the power of vi or emacs. Nothing. If you don't want the power, or don't need the tool, fine. I get that. But calling vi terrible, is like complaining that a sledgehammer is terrible, because you want to hang a picture, and that's all you have.

That's the thing. I want to hang a picture.

Re: GNU nano is my editor of choice (2021)

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Post by piptastic »

mbork_pl wrote: post #20
sfx77 wrote: post #14

All of the old editors are horrible. Nano, vi, emacs... sure they might be conveniently placed, but are a pain to learn. This one is a vast improvement https://micro-editor.github.io/

How is Nano an "old editor"? It was released just a bit more than 20 years ago...

Probably because it was an emulation of pico, which started another 10 years before that.

I started with pico and moved to nano.

Re: GNU nano is my editor of choice (2021)

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Post by torben-friis »

dijit wrote: post #5

There was a time (2006?) when I was getting into linux. I was a big microsofty, due to comfort mostly, and I was shamed into trying Linux. Like most people I went Ubuntu first, but wifi drivers at the time were lacking, and nvidia of yore was certainly not better than nvidia of now. Suffice it to say: I spent a lot of time in the terminal trying to fix things. Nano was my tool of choice because: honestly the initial…

Something that annoys me is that the only good thing about vim is the idea of composable modal actions.

Don't get me wrong, that feature alone is powerful enough to choose vim as your editor of choice, but... There is no reason whatsoever why you couldn't have an editor with 2022's standards of UX and newbie friendliness that makes use of the same idea; it just hasn't happened.

Even when modern editors adapt vim functionality as a plugin, they just replicate the original design choices. Esc to escape insertion mode is clearly a stupid choice in a modern keyboard setup, but we keep it as a default; we just haven't moved past the original decision.

Has anyone heard of a (serious / developed) effort to create such a product?

Re: GNU nano is my editor of choice (2021)

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Post by spdionis »

europeanguy wrote: post #9
anonyme-honteux wrote: post #4

Using those kind of Unix tools is like having a time travel machine to understand what kind of mistakes you should never do when Iyou design a software. Not having system wide keyboard shortcuts is one of them: vim, emacs, nano etc all have a different shortcut to quit the app Worse still, every software invents his own configuration format. Thinking that being ultra configurable is a good excuse for not doing the ri…

On the other hand, having system wide keyboard shortcuts will almost certainly impose unwanted constraints on how an app can behave.

Please do impose those unwanted constraints thank you!

Re: GNU nano is my editor of choice (2021)

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Post by red_trumpet »

DemocracyFTW2 wrote: post #22

Highly reminiscent of #378: * nano? Real Programmers use emacs. * Hey. Real Programmers use vim. * Well, Real Programmers use ed. * No, Real Programmers use cat. * Real Programmers use a magnetized needle and a steady hand. * Excuse me, but Real Programmers use butterflies. They open their hands and let the delicate wings flap once. The disturbances ripple outward, changing the flow of the eddy currents in the upper…

You forgot the last panel:

* Nice. 'Course there's an emacs command to do that.

* Oh yeah! Good ol' `C-x M-c M-butterfly`...

* Dammit, emacs!

https://xkcd.com/378/

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