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Re: AI chatbots are not a replacement for search engines

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Today I experienced just the opposite. Chatgpt answered some business questions in less than a minute. I would have spent 30 mins in seo optimized sites to find the exact same info.

How do you verify that chatgpt answers are correct? (And to be honest, how do you gauge the correctness of random internet sites)?

Re: AI chatbots are not a replacement for search engines

#22
The way I see it:

- Today's search engines will give you links to millions of documents

- ChatGPT, if asked correctly, will instead generate one perfect document based on millions of the documents

To me, that's a clear evolution of the search engine, especially with all the SEO & ad spam that's plaguing Google and others currently.

I wasn't ready to pay a monthly fee for an ad-free Google. I am ready to pay for something like ChatGPT.

Google has an issue on their hands and is probably working overtime to lobby the threat of ChatGPT away.

Re: AI chatbots are not a replacement for search engines

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I don’t think they do. At least not in a safe way. The AI doesn’t understand meaning or the underlying material and concepts. I’m sure filters will be put into a pipeline but it will never be as good as letting the human sniff out the correct answers.

Today I asked chatGPT what Einstein's favourite food was. It gave a reasonable answer about him liking simple foods. The worrying thing is that I was satisfied with the result. It was plausible. It could well be true. There is a good chance that this kind of AI might provide the right kind of response that a large percentage of the public find convincing enough to not bother with additional research.

This reminds me of an article about how phones killed ripley’s believe it or not and the Guinness book of records - both of which are kind of like “solidified” bar conversation. Now if someone at the bar asks about Einstein’s favorite foods, people just whip out phones and find an answer (doesn’t even have to be correct) and the conversation ends. Before you could go all night discussing it from attempts at first principles - you might be entirely wrong but you had fun.

Re: AI chatbots are not a replacement for search engines

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Google search results are a vortex of perverse incentives and double dipping. The fact that google ranks horrible CPM arbitrage websites for nearly everything AND monetizes these websites... yuck. it doesn't take a rocket scientist to imagine how some of these AI Models could leverage a search index + something like wolfram alpha to generate a much more targeted and valuable search result.

it doesn't take a rocket scientist to imagine how some of these AI Models could leverage a search index + something like wolfram alpha to generate a much more targeted and valuable search result. Sure but the problem with the rocket scientists is they think about how good things can be, not how evil they can be. Sure, a chat bot could be made to give very valuable-to the end user results but as it will free like Goog…

That is the back side of the arc, the (maybe inevitable) decline into collecting monopoly profits. I think people are excited about these language models as way to crack the Monopoly with something that delivers more value to users.

Re: AI chatbots are not a replacement for search engines

#25

I agree that chat bots aren’t the proper modality for replacing search. So what? Currently, Google search results stink. ChatGPT results are way better in a number of domains. Does it need to be a chat bot? No. But Google still stinks now. I’ll take anything that can just find the correct information.

Google has ruined the web. Look what they did to recipe sites?? Truly awful. And there used to be sites that answered the question on the search page. Google pushed them to the bottom.

Yeah, they are responsible for those 5 minute scroll sessions above the recipes. They rank and monetize those horrible sites.

Re: AI chatbots are not a replacement for search engines

#26
It seems the only thing that's missing is some type of fact-checking function. The interaction, from a user perspective, is much nicer than sorting through Google results.But the results can be confidentially wrong and if you're not familiar with the subject matter already, you won't really know that.

That said, I'm basically using it as a replacement for Google for stuff that isn't up-to-date (code, philosophy) then double checking the output to see how it's wrong.

Re: AI chatbots are not a replacement for search engines

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A chat bot isn’t allowed to use external APIs or present things besides conversational text? Seems short sighted. Todays chat bots should be considered dumb prototypes, when thinking about even the near future.

Today's chatbots are complex language models based on the language that they were trained on.

They are very clever at transforming data into language, or one language into another... but they work on language and not knowledge.

It would be interesting to see a language model identify the necessary resources to fulfill a query which is then fed back into it to transform the dry data back into language.

    Identify if the question is looking for weather, sports scores, unit conversion, general knowlege, or business information for the following requests:

    1. "What is the high temperature tommorow?"
    2. "Did the packers win last night?"
    3. "What time does Walmart open?"
    4. "What will it rain next week?"
    5. "Where can I buy an umbrella?"
    6. "How many feet are in a mile?"
    Question classification:
To which GPT responded:

    1. Weather
    2. Sports Scores
    3. Business Information
    4. Weather
    5. Business Information
    6. Unit Conversion
Using this, it should then be sent to a system that knows how to do those queries and return back data.

However, doing that integration isn't the place for today's chatbots - or at least not the place for OpenAI to be trying to do all the possible things. Those queries also cost money and become harder to bill for.

Re: AI chatbots are not a replacement for search engines

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post #22

The way I see it: - Today's search engines will give you links to millions of documents - ChatGPT, if asked correctly, will instead generate one perfect document based on millions of the documents To me, that's a clear evolution of the search engine, especially with all the SEO & ad spam that's plaguing Google and others currently. I wasn't ready to pay a monthly fee for an ad-free Google. I am ready to pay for somet…

ChatGPT can give you websites, too, if you ask:

"What's a good social website for people of a technical bent"

It recommended: Reddit, Hacker News, Stack Exchange, Quora, LinkedIn, ResearchGate, GitHub

That's a pretty good list!

Tried the same search on Google, and the first result was some spammy site "15 top social networks," #1 being facebook. Not very useful.

I definitely think chatbots will replace many uses of search engines. It's already way more useful for lots of stuff for me.

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