How this relates to WebSub (previously known as PubSubHubbub)? https://www.w3.org/TR/websub/
Came to ask this as well. It seems like a competing solution to the same problem.
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Re: RssCloud, WordPress. FeedLand, and Dave Winer
#22How this relates to WebSub (previously known as PubSubHubbub)? https://www.w3.org/TR/websub/
As far as I am aware WebSub has more or less completely obsoleted RssCloud.
Source: I run a feed reader service that supports WebSub and when I checked none of our subscriptions support RssCloud but not WebSub.
Re: RssCloud, WordPress. FeedLand, and Dave Winer
#23why seems everybody to ignore Atom (RFC4287)? Is it to follow iTunes' innovation leadership in doing so? I'd be curious.
Many years ago I switched to Atom because the RSS spec was ambiguous with regards to which fields could contain entity-encoded HTML. Anyone know if that issue with RSS ever got resolved?
Yes, they got resolved in the Atom 1.0 spec ;)
I recommend that people use Atom for new implementations for basically this reason. However to be honest it probably isn't a big enough problem to switch to Atom of RSS is working for you.
Re: RssCloud, WordPress. FeedLand, and Dave Winer
#24> a user did not have to find a rssCloud server for their feed to reference – their own site could handle feed registrations and notifications to feed reader apps. This created a supply of literally millions of weblogs that could support quick notifications to their readers if their reading app supported the use of rssCloud. Um, is it just me or does that sound like a DDOS waiting to happen? (I'm out of the loop on t…
Can you provide details?
I'm not familiar with RssCloud but WebSub requires the notification endpoint to confirm a subscription before sending new entries. So your DoS amplification is one small HTTP request for a small HTTP request. I guess at best it would make it slightly harder to block as it is coming from everywhere.
Re: RssCloud, WordPress. FeedLand, and Dave Winer
#25why seems everybody to ignore Atom (RFC4287)? Is it to follow iTunes' innovation leadership in doing so? I'd be curious.
I was wondering the same. At some point it appeared atom was going to take over the feed space, but when I started blogging again last year it appeared we had more or less standardized again on RSS 2. I have no idea why or what happened.
Personally for a while initially, I just didn't bother figuring out which one was better.
I'd say the lack of a push towards Atom might be one of the reasons.
Re: RssCloud, WordPress. FeedLand, and Dave Winer
#26Interesting comments about Dave Winer in the article. I first became aware of him in the last year or two via a mention here on HN. Since then, I have been receiving and reading his daily blog post via email. (He claims his blog has been running longer than any other in existence, could be true). They guy is clearly smart and hard working, and has lots of ideas, many of which seem good. What he shares about his perso…
>He claims his blog has been running longer than any other in existence, could be true
Could very well be, remember reading his blog in the late 90s
Re: RssCloud, WordPress. FeedLand, and Dave Winer
#27why seems everybody to ignore Atom (RFC4287)? Is it to follow iTunes' innovation leadership in doing so? I'd be curious.
I was intrigued by the title of this article and if I remember well Atom was a sensible standard that was quite well defined, but specifically Dave Winer didn't want it to happen because it was not invented by him. I switched all RSS-y stuff I had to develop + all sites I control to Atom long ago, and it pretty much just works.
Re: RssCloud, WordPress. FeedLand, and Dave Winer
#28Interesting comments about Dave Winer in the article. I first became aware of him in the last year or two via a mention here on HN. Since then, I have been receiving and reading his daily blog post via email. (He claims his blog has been running longer than any other in existence, could be true). They guy is clearly smart and hard working, and has lots of ideas, many of which seem good. What he shares about his perso…
This seems a little unfair, maybe unintentionally on your part. If you’ve been reading his blog long enough (and I don’t know the value of “long enough” since I’ve been reading so long) it becomes clear he situates new proposals and tools in into a ton of context - how he came to think this new thing would be useful. This involves discussing history. By necessity this disproportionately is his own professional / inde…
> He does want people to know for example that podcasts were a natural outgrowth of RSS, so natural he hand a hand in adding it himself despite not having an audio background.
In that he is right by the way: He had a back and forth with Adam Curry, I believe, about audio attachments, and as a result Winer added the enclosure element. Everything else about podcasts, the name, the MediaRSS extensions, the coopting by Apple, the iTunes directory and extensions, the professionalization, came later. Funnily enough Winer tends to think about his own podcasts more as a stream of consciousness voice memo than an edited product.
(Yes, I'm reading him that long. Like pretty much everyone, who reads him that long, I have mixed and complicated about him.)
Re: RssCloud, WordPress. FeedLand, and Dave Winer
#29Interesting comments about Dave Winer in the article. I first became aware of him in the last year or two via a mention here on HN. Since then, I have been receiving and reading his daily blog post via email. (He claims his blog has been running longer than any other in existence, could be true). They guy is clearly smart and hard working, and has lots of ideas, many of which seem good. What he shares about his perso…
> MS Excel and Word have all the outlining features I have ever needed, which isn't very often This says more about you than it does about the usefulness of outliners. Not that that's bad, but it's important not to classify them as trivial just because you don't use them. Outlining software is exploding in popularity. Some examples include org-mode, Workflowy, Dynalist, Roam Research, Logseq, and Remnote. It's also f…
For a view into 80s, 90s and early 2000s history of (mostly Mac) outliners, here is an article series:
Re: RssCloud, WordPress. FeedLand, and Dave Winer
#30Earlier quoted context omitted.
Dave was really a pioneer. In the early days of the Mac, he created an outliner called MORE which was a very innovative product for the time, which I immediately loved and used as the center of all my information-keeping. He sold it to Symantec for, as I understand it, a couple million dollars (probably twice that in today's money), but then it disappeared. (OmniOutliner, made by people with no relationship to Winer…
And before MORE, he created Think Tank for PC and Apple 2. I remember reading him say his first outliner was on a timeshare system in the 1970s, and he took inspiration from that Douglas Engelbart’s Mother of All Demos
Man, I forgot Think Tank. I used that before MORE, but that was too friggin' long ago for me to remember without being reminded!!