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Ask HN: Why is the Wikipedia Foundation's begging tolerated?

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Re: Ask HN: Why is the Wikipedia Foundation's begging tolerated?

#21

We would consider companies foolish if they left sales on the table, even if they didn't immediately need it. Why would non-profits be expected to not fundraise as aggressively as possible? The expectation that non-profits should be run on fumes is silly.

Wikipedia’s primary product is a website that doesn’t suck.

Why would you expect someone joining a charity to take a huge shit on the charity’s primary mission? And expect donors to like it?

Re: Ask HN: Why is the Wikipedia Foundation's begging tolerated?

#23

I think it’s tolerated because.. we don’t have a choice other than to tolerate it. What else are we going to do? Are we going to close the browser window and not use Wikipedia?

You can add the following rules to your uBlock Origin config: en.wikipedia.org##.cn-fundraising en.wikipedia.org##.frb-country-US.frb-rml-enabled.frb

In addition, it looks like the "Fanboy’s Annoyance" filter list also blocks the wikipedia fundraising, as well as a bunch of other crap across the internet.

Re: Ask HN: Why is the Wikipedia Foundation's begging tolerated?

#24

I think it’s tolerated because.. we don’t have a choice other than to tolerate it. What else are we going to do? Are we going to close the browser window and not use Wikipedia?

> Are we going to close the browser window and not use Wikipedia?

This is precisely what I do. There are plenty of other ways to find useful information on the internet and of course there are dead tree books.

Lately the wikimedia foundation just comes off as the whiny entitled rich kid who's upset that their parents only bought a brand new Acura instead of a Jaguar for their birthday. I'm not going to encourage the behavior by giving it attention.

Re: Ask HN: Why is the Wikipedia Foundation's begging tolerated?

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Can you elaborate on that, do you have any sources?

I think we can safely assume that parent commenter was upset that their favorite Important Political Opinion was not presented as an absolute fact on Wikipedia.

Re: Ask HN: Why is the Wikipedia Foundation's begging tolerated?

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> they spend (read: waste) Really? What makes you think it's all or even mostly waste?

Wikipedia is spending almost twice as much in 2021 as in 2017, while page views only inched up a little bit [0]. Whatever they’re spending it on, it’s not going to keeping the site running or improving the quality of it by, say, actually paying quality editors. They’re certainly not strapped for cash like they pretend to be in their donation banners.

From a 2017 post:

> The modern Wikipedia hosts 11–12 times as many pages as it did in 2005,[20] but the WMF is spending 33 times as much on hosting,[21] has about 300 times as many employees, and is spending 1,250 times as much overall.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Guy_Macon/Wikipedia_has...

[0] https://stats.wikimedia.org/#/all-projects/reading/total-pag...

Re: Ask HN: Why is the Wikipedia Foundation's begging tolerated?

#28
I'm curious, if an employee is doing "just fine", do they not deserve a raise if they did a good job?

Either Wikipedia is doing well, and they will continue asking for money to continue doing well.

Or, Wikipedia is not doing well, and they will continue asking for money to do better.

For you, if you don't like Wikipedia and/or the banners, just stop going to it if it doesn't provide any value.

Re: Ask HN: Why is the Wikipedia Foundation's begging tolerated?

#30
I don’t know what tolerate means in this context: I’m pretty sure I clicked “close” once and it hasn’t shown up again.

Separately: the Wikipedia Foundation having too much money sounds like the kind of problem I’d prefer to have, rather than it not having enough. Even if it means they “waste” money (in your estimation), it provides financial independence in a way that’s critical for the service they provide.

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