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The Decline of the City Grid

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Re: The Decline of the City Grid

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[freewheeling unplanned thinking-out-loud ahead] I like grids... but I'm not sure why. I live at the edge of the old grid section in my town. West of me, it turns into modern non-grid. Which I don't like. But do I not like it because of the lack of grid? Or because of the new modern wall-to-wall cookie-cutter construction? I look at an old organically-grown city and it's fascinating to me; its ties to the distant pas…

You've inspired me as well to ramble about why grids are great.

Growing up in Chicago, I have a deep love of the grid. It made sense, it made navigation easy. It made addresses have real meaning. Take the address of the Vic Theater, for example: 3145 N Sheffield. It tells you just about everything you need to know. It tells you that Sheffield is a North/South street. Because it's an odd number it tells you the building is on the East side of the street. The "31" tells you it's on the thirty-one hundred block of Sheffield, which once you learn the streets, tells you it's on the block immediately south of Belmont (3200 North). The "45" tells you it's likely at the very North end of the block, because the typical Chicago block only goes up to about XX60 in addresses.

The one thing lacking is the latitude for East/West streets and the longitude for North/South street being encoded in the street name, but you could encode an address as an X,Y pair. The above example address could be: 1000 W, 3145 N.

Now I live in suburbia elsewhere in the country and street numbers are essentially meaningless, except to differentiate buildings on the same street. Which I suppose is their most basic purpose, but I'm used to addresses being useful for city-wide navigation, so it always felt a bit lacking to me.

And don't get me started on my love for and the current lack of alleys where I live now. Chicago alleys are the unsung hero of the city's layout.

Just in time edit: It was pointed that I forgot one of the most important things: the numbering system encodes distance as well. Every 100 on the grid, or one full block, is 1/8 of a mile.

Re: The Decline of the City Grid

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[freewheeling unplanned thinking-out-loud ahead] I like grids... but I'm not sure why. I live at the edge of the old grid section in my town. West of me, it turns into modern non-grid. Which I don't like. But do I not like it because of the lack of grid? Or because of the new modern wall-to-wall cookie-cutter construction? I look at an old organically-grown city and it's fascinating to me; its ties to the distant pas…

Can you provide an example of a "modern non-grid"?

Re: The Decline of the City Grid

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[freewheeling unplanned thinking-out-loud ahead] I like grids... but I'm not sure why. I live at the edge of the old grid section in my town. West of me, it turns into modern non-grid. Which I don't like. But do I not like it because of the lack of grid? Or because of the new modern wall-to-wall cookie-cutter construction? I look at an old organically-grown city and it's fascinating to me; its ties to the distant pas…

Exactly, grids are not perfect, but they are much much better than modern non-grid. Modern non-grid is not made for people, it is made for cars, and is incompatible with walking. More specifically, it is the result of optimizing for the wrong thing, it optimizes for getting cars from their houses to the highway and back, sacrificing all local connection and mobility in the process.

While the modern non-grid is "made for cars", most examples I've seen is also really inefficient at working for cars, in that most non-grid areas I've seen also suck at moving traffic. Inefficient intersections, poorly designed directional conflicts, etc. all exist heavily in a non-grid area, and the response is typically larger, even more inefficient intersections and more poorly designed directional conflicts. Sometimes the lack of space that a grid typically causes actually brings better traffic engineering.

But it's definitely correct that the modern non-grid is definitely not suitable to walking/biking, but that's more due to zoning and centralization of systems (e.g. schools) rather than grid vs. non-grid. It's not like a cul-de-sac for a car couldn't contain an off-shoot to a pedestrian/biking path that cuts a trip significantly for a non-car.

Re: The Decline of the City Grid

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I like a city I can get lost in. Grids seem like an anti-pattern to me.

Go to Venice, Italy if you want to get lost. Grids are the best way to lay out a city so you don't end up with ridiculous burbs like this where it's a 1.5 mile walk between adjacent lots.

https://bendyimby.com/2018/03/03/street-grids/

There are far worse examples of that elsewhere in the country.

Grids are also very robust to interruptions - like you remove an intersection (a crash, sewer work, whatever) and it slows traffic down, but it can route around it. Take out an arterial in a typical suburb and it's a huge mess.

Re: The Decline of the City Grid

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post #5

[freewheeling unplanned thinking-out-loud ahead] I like grids... but I'm not sure why. I live at the edge of the old grid section in my town. West of me, it turns into modern non-grid. Which I don't like. But do I not like it because of the lack of grid? Or because of the new modern wall-to-wall cookie-cutter construction? I look at an old organically-grown city and it's fascinating to me; its ties to the distant pas…

Exactly, grids are not perfect, but they are much much better than modern non-grid. Modern non-grid is not made for people, it is made for cars, and is incompatible with walking. More specifically, it is the result of optimizing for the wrong thing, it optimizes for getting cars from their houses to the highway and back, sacrificing all local connection and mobility in the process.

Grids are not perfect, but they are "pretty good" in a lot of different circumstances, and far more adaptable than other street patterns. Living on a cul-de-sac is nice in some ways, but it doesn't do well at all with change or adaptation.

Grids were "pretty good" with horses and buggies, pretty good with cars, pretty good with eBikes, and will probably be pretty good with whatever the future holds, rather than being "perfect" for any one way of getting around.

Re: The Decline of the City Grid

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post #21
post #5

[freewheeling unplanned thinking-out-loud ahead] I like grids... but I'm not sure why. I live at the edge of the old grid section in my town. West of me, it turns into modern non-grid. Which I don't like. But do I not like it because of the lack of grid? Or because of the new modern wall-to-wall cookie-cutter construction? I look at an old organically-grown city and it's fascinating to me; its ties to the distant pas…

You've inspired me as well to ramble about why grids are great. Growing up in Chicago, I have a deep love of the grid. It made sense, it made navigation easy. It made addresses have real meaning . Take the address of the Vic Theater, for example: 3145 N Sheffield. It tells you just about everything you need to know. It tells you that Sheffield is a North/South street. Because it's an odd number it tells you the build…

Grids are great. But just think of systems like Venice, where you get a building number + district for an address. No street names tied to the buildings at all. Just a number and the sestiere (there are six).

Re: The Decline of the City Grid

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post #21
post #5

[freewheeling unplanned thinking-out-loud ahead] I like grids... but I'm not sure why. I live at the edge of the old grid section in my town. West of me, it turns into modern non-grid. Which I don't like. But do I not like it because of the lack of grid? Or because of the new modern wall-to-wall cookie-cutter construction? I look at an old organically-grown city and it's fascinating to me; its ties to the distant pas…

You've inspired me as well to ramble about why grids are great. Growing up in Chicago, I have a deep love of the grid. It made sense, it made navigation easy. It made addresses have real meaning . Take the address of the Vic Theater, for example: 3145 N Sheffield. It tells you just about everything you need to know. It tells you that Sheffield is a North/South street. Because it's an odd number it tells you the build…

Salt Lake City encodes latitude and longitude in the street names.

Re: The Decline of the City Grid

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https://archive.ph/RujBG

As this is one of the "Christmas specials", I believe that it won't hit the paywall. The archive.ph link also misses out on several of the javascript animation tools that integrate with OSM and the city grid explorer at the bottom of the article.

Didn't hit the paywall for me. I was wondering why not.

Re: The Decline of the City Grid

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post #24

I like a city I can get lost in. Grids seem like an anti-pattern to me.

Go to Venice, Italy if you want to get lost. Grids are the best way to lay out a city so you don't end up with ridiculous burbs like this where it's a 1.5 mile walk between adjacent lots. https://bendyimby.com/2018/03/03/street-grids/ There are far worse examples of that elsewhere in the country. Grids are also very robust to interruptions - like you remove an intersection (a crash, sewer work, whatever) and it slows…

These things sound efficient and productive, but I don't think that makes them better.
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