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No Other Options: Newly revealed documents depict Canadian euthanasia regime

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Re: No Other Options: Newly revealed documents depict Canadian euthanasia regime

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The whole argument against MAID feels ridiculously like the anti-abortion position. The other option to providing it is having them end their life in a way that might be risky or fail to succeed in a way that leaves them painfully scarred for life or suffering more than they had to. Why are people forced to live if they don't want to?

There are cases where people do want to live but are counseled into suicide.

Re: No Other Options: Newly revealed documents depict Canadian euthanasia regime

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I am sympathetic to those who wish for assisted suicide to prevent pain for diseases or illnesses they've succumbed to. I agree with your thesis that death may be preferential to suffering, and should be available to those who seek it. On the other hand, there are articles like this[1], wherein the main factor for the requested euthanasia is income. "But until recently, he was able to live comfortably, sharing his mo…

When the state pays for your healthcare, your health will never be the top priority.

When a for-profit company pays for your {healthcare, education, prisons} the quality of that service will never be top priority. Profit will. Always.

One only needs to look at how high profits are in those sectors in the USA compared to other OECD countries, and then look at the quality of those services compared to other OECD countries.

Spolier: Americans pay the most, and get the worst.

[1] https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2014/06/us-health...

Re: No Other Options: Newly revealed documents depict Canadian euthanasia regime

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am sympathetic to those who wish for assisted suicide to prevent pain for diseases or illnesses they've succumbed to. I agree with your thesis that death may be preferential to suffering, and should be available to those who seek it. On the other hand, there are articles like this[1], wherein the main factor for the requested euthanasia is income. "But until recently, he was able to live comfortably, sharing his mo…

When the state pays for your healthcare, your health will never be the top priority.

Is privatization a better alternative then? In the US, private hospitals spent years cutting staff so they were entirely unable to deal with Covid numbers.

Re: No Other Options: Newly revealed documents depict Canadian euthanasia regime

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The whole argument against MAID feels ridiculously like the anti-abortion position. The other option to providing it is having them end their life in a way that might be risky or fail to succeed in a way that leaves them painfully scarred for life or suffering more than they had to. Why are people forced to live if they don't want to?

I don't have a problem with people getting MAID, but I do have a problem with medical practitioners pushing it on people who want to live but can't get basic resources to deal with very manageable disabilities.

I have a modest proposal.

We ensure that there are thousands more of them, promote them, and ensure that they are rewarded for denying health care to as many people as possible (after collecting money from the victims).

We'd need to do a bit of branding on the whole thing, of course. We would first want to ensure that they are not medical professionals making these decisions. "Adjusters" has a nice ring to it.

We could build an entire industry out of this. And I think if we did all of that, many people's problems with euthanasia would be ameliorated.

Re: No Other Options: Newly revealed documents depict Canadian euthanasia regime

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post #3

The whole argument against MAID feels ridiculously like the anti-abortion position. The other option to providing it is having them end their life in a way that might be risky or fail to succeed in a way that leaves them painfully scarred for life or suffering more than they had to. Why are people forced to live if they don't want to?

There are cases where people do want to live but are counseled into suicide.

Being counselled to suicide should be ineffective if they want to live, no? This isn’t a 30 hour police interrogation without food, water, or sleep. Options are presented, and in some cases living with the debilitating sickness is worse than suicide. I think if they want to live, it is likely they want to live if the debilitating illness wasn’t there, but given that fact they choose death.

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Taken to a logical extreme, the underlying premise of this article is that MAID should only be available to the wealthy.

People with disabilities and/or grievous suffering from illness(es) tend to be depressed, especially when finances and supports are lacking.

If we restrict MAID to the wealthy without mental conditions, we end up prolonging the suffering of many people.

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I suspect the author has an agenda and a slant, given the read of his twitter account and some of the slippery logic he's using in this article.

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Re: No Other Options: Newly revealed documents depict Canadian euthanasia regime

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The whole argument against MAID feels ridiculously like the anti-abortion position. The other option to providing it is having them end their life in a way that might be risky or fail to succeed in a way that leaves them painfully scarred for life or suffering more than they had to. Why are people forced to live if they don't want to?

I am sympathetic to those who wish for assisted suicide to prevent pain for diseases or illnesses they've succumbed to. I agree with your thesis that death may be preferential to suffering, and should be available to those who seek it. On the other hand, there are articles like this[1], wherein the main factor for the requested euthanasia is income. "But until recently, he was able to live comfortably, sharing his mo…

My prediction is that this poor man is the leading edge of a massive tsunami that is heading towards Canadian shores. Housing/rent prices are beyond insane in Canada, we have 500k+ immigrants per year, and with food prices now on the rise 10% to 20% at least, I can't imagine how many people there are going to be who can't afford a roof over their heads.

And I've seen zero sign that this is even on the radar of government, though perhaps that's what MAID is for. At least it's an option to homelessness.

Re: No Other Options: Newly revealed documents depict Canadian euthanasia regime

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Taken to a logical extreme, the underlying premise of this article is that MAID should only be available to the wealthy. People with disabilities and/or grievous suffering from illness(es) tend to be depressed, especially when finances and supports are lacking. If we restrict MAID to the wealthy without mental conditions, we end up prolonging the suffering of many people.

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