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‘Two years of lost immigration’ is responsible for half of missing workforce

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three decades of declining wages and increasing demands, plus de-facto "illegal" workers in every city in the USA.. perhaps a factor?

US real median household income is 55% higher in 2019 than 1990.

https://twitter.com/MichaelRStrain/status/160341481147113472...

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Unpopular opinion, but I'd argue the last ~50 years of legalized abortion, with over 60 million lives lost, also accounts for a large percentage of the missing workforce. (Even more so when you consider the loss of their children and their children's children.) > 18% of the workforce has been wiped out by abortion, and this number will climb to 23% by 2035.^1 > While labor force participation may rise in the short ru…

Population is not synonymous with workforce. Those potential children would have overwhelmingly been low cost labor. Flooding job markets with people is how we have work that doesn't pay what it's worth.

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Unpopular opinion, but I'd argue the last ~50 years of legalized abortion, with over 60 million lives lost, also accounts for a large percentage of the missing workforce. (Even more so when you consider the loss of their children and their children's children.) > 18% of the workforce has been wiped out by abortion, and this number will climb to 23% by 2035.^1 > While labor force participation may rise in the short ru…

Are you suggesting that abortion be illegal for the sake of maintaining a sizeable workforce?

Literally oppress and remove women's basic bodily autonomy so that Amazon can keep paying people $20/h

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The sad fact is that we have enough software developers in America to fully meet all of every American companies technical needs; The problem is that these companies don't want to meet the market demands of that labor pool by paying what that market is asking to keep that sustainable, so they want to import people who they can abuse to temporarily lower labor prices for them.

And the number of Americans I know who work in tech who are looking for work right now as H1B's post on LinkedIn and publicly make deals to keep Americans out of jobs proves this. Its all being done in public.

The thing is, the original H1B ideal is temporary; and so is they cant meet market demands sustainably that way, not if they are growing, and they should be growing or they are dying, and so such companies end up being dependent on offshore imports of H1B people and end up dying when they cant replace them or grow new roles without them, because they started to depend on them and then could not be sustainable outside of that bubble on the real market.

The dependency they have is on subsidized cheap labor from other countries that don't asked to be treated like humans, not a lack of skilled tech workers. They have more tech workers than they need, many with more skills and more years of experience at higher end tech roles, many who are looking for work right now in the holidays, and they are just not hiring them because they want to save a few pennies and hire a developer that they have legal ownership of as an indebted visa-slave.

And if your hiring software developers, I know many who are looking for work, who are American citizens, who would gladly take the job that an h1b is currently sitting in.

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It's interesting how the roles reversed between the two parties over the decades. Here's a video of George Bush and Ronald Reagan tag-teaming pro-immigration policy speeches[1] that would have them tarred and feathered by the republican party of today. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YsmgPp_nlok

You're hard pressed to find a democrat who is actually earnestly pushing for immigration reform either. I'd claim the republicans largely swapped and the democrats are only for it just enough to foil the republicans!

> democrats are only for it just enough to foil the republicans

Absolutely not. Modern Democrats are neoliberals to the extreme. Neoliberals are very pro-immigration.

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three decades of declining wages and increasing demands, plus de-facto "illegal" workers in every city in the USA.. perhaps a factor?

"Rising wage inequality and slow and uneven hourly wage growth for the vast majority of workers have been defining features of the U.S. labor market for the last four decades, despite steady (if too slow) productivity growth. " --Elise Gould, Senior Economist, The Economic Policy Institute

https://www.epi.org/publication/swa-wages-2019/

Re: ‘Two years of lost immigration’ is responsible for half of missing workforce

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The sad fact is that we have enough software developers in America to fully meet all of every American companies technical needs; The problem is that these companies don't want to meet the market demands of that labor pool by paying what that market is asking to keep that sustainable, so they want to import people who they can abuse to temporarily lower labor prices for them. And the number of Americans I know who wo…

This is the root issue and it's systemic wage suppression. It's also surreal when entire management structures are h1b1 visa workers and speaks to deeper cultural issues that nobody wants to talk about.

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Another "shortage of workers" article aimed at the plutocracy that should be retitled "shortage of pay" to attract them.

"We've tried everything, including raising pay $3 an hour!" => after a wave of significant inflation. Really?

I understand many service workers are undocumented, but where are the I-9 forms going? Every job I've had made me fill one out, by law. Here we have a number of organizations outing themselves in print (in the capital no less) as not complying. Well the article implies that anyway.

Are they paying taxes on these workers? How does this actually work?

Re: ‘Two years of lost immigration’ is responsible for half of missing workforce

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Unpopular opinion, but I'd argue the last ~50 years of legalized abortion, with over 60 million lives lost, also accounts for a large percentage of the missing workforce. (Even more so when you consider the loss of their children and their children's children.) > 18% of the workforce has been wiped out by abortion, and this number will climb to 23% by 2035.^1 > While labor force participation may rise in the short ru…

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Re: ‘Two years of lost immigration’ is responsible for half of missing workforce

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You're hard pressed to find a democrat who is actually earnestly pushing for immigration reform either. I'd claim the republicans largely swapped and the democrats are only for it just enough to foil the republicans!

> democrats are only for it just enough to foil the republicans Absolutely not. Modern Democrats are neoliberals to the extreme. Neoliberals are very pro-immigration.

That's true rhetorically (the favorite specific topic being the "dreamers"), but there is no will to fix the H1B program at all by Democratic leadership. The status quo is great for businesses, a big part of their power base. It's not even bad for support from organized labor (though that matters less and less in real elections as union membership has been in decline for decades), since H1Bs are largely employed in nonunion industries.
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