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Bipartisan Legislation to Ban TikTok

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Re: Bipartisan Legislation to Ban TikTok

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Post by philjohn »

mrtksn wrote: post #7

Why not regulate how the data is used or stored, like the EU does, but ban? I'm really hoping this doesn't become a reality because if it does, we will end up with partitioned internet and stagnation. People often forget that the US companies are foreign entity for most of the worlds population and with the WikiLeaks revelations we know for a fact that the US government has access to the data of American tech compani…

US Tech firms products are largely banned in China, closing off a market of 1bn+ - why should Chinese firms have unfettered access to the US?

Re: Bipartisan Legislation to Ban TikTok

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Post by mrtksn »

philjohn wrote: post #21
mrtksn wrote: post #7

Why not regulate how the data is used or stored, like the EU does, but ban? I'm really hoping this doesn't become a reality because if it does, we will end up with partitioned internet and stagnation. People often forget that the US companies are foreign entity for most of the worlds population and with the WikiLeaks revelations we know for a fact that the US government has access to the data of American tech compani…

US Tech firms products are largely banned in China, closing off a market of 1bn+ - why should Chinese firms have unfettered access to the US?

Because China is not a good example to follow. It is a dystopian state with full control of what their citizens have access to. Why would you want to have your government to choose the apps for you?

Re: Bipartisan Legislation to Ban TikTok

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Post by misnome »

philjohn wrote: post #21
mrtksn wrote: post #7

Why not regulate how the data is used or stored, like the EU does, but ban? I'm really hoping this doesn't become a reality because if it does, we will end up with partitioned internet and stagnation. People often forget that the US companies are foreign entity for most of the worlds population and with the WikiLeaks revelations we know for a fact that the US government has access to the data of American tech compani…

US Tech firms products are largely banned in China, closing off a market of 1bn+ - why should Chinese firms have unfettered access to the US?

Because the US isn't China?

Re: Bipartisan Legislation to Ban TikTok

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Post by elmomle »

mrtksn wrote: post #16
varispeed wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

State run apps that are designed to "nudge" and manipulate population at a large scale, should be classified as weapons and banned. This is not a regular app, but part of information warfare China is engaged in with the West.

The US is known for involvement in the policies of other nations and even organising coups etc. With documented access of the American government into the American tech giants, I don't have reason to believe that Instagram is any different than TikTok. What makes you think that CIA didn't infiltrate Meta or made a deal to manipulate political situation in its friends and foes? What makes you believe that they won't w…

Yes, and the CCP has banned Instagram and Facebook because they understand that those are ultimately tools for subtly shaping mass opinion, regardless of whether it's clear that they're used for that purpose. Why would the US not do the same with TikTok?

Re: Bipartisan Legislation to Ban TikTok

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Post by adamdusty »

mrtksn wrote: post #16
varispeed wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

State run apps that are designed to "nudge" and manipulate population at a large scale, should be classified as weapons and banned. This is not a regular app, but part of information warfare China is engaged in with the West.

The US is known for involvement in the policies of other nations and even organising coups etc. With documented access of the American government into the American tech giants, I don't have reason to believe that Instagram is any different than TikTok. What makes you think that CIA didn't infiltrate Meta or made a deal to manipulate political situation in its friends and foes? What makes you believe that they won't w…

If other countries feel that way, they should probably ban Instagram.

In my opinion, the difference is that insta (Meta) controls US government more than the government controls insta. I don't believe that's the case with tik tok and the CCP.

Re: Bipartisan Legislation to Ban TikTok

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Post by Kukumber »

varispeed wrote: post #12
mrtksn wrote: post #7

Why not regulate how the data is used or stored, like the EU does, but ban? I'm really hoping this doesn't become a reality because if it does, we will end up with partitioned internet and stagnation. People often forget that the US companies are foreign entity for most of the worlds population and with the WikiLeaks revelations we know for a fact that the US government has access to the data of American tech compani…

State run apps that are designed to "nudge" and manipulate population at a large scale, should be classified as weapons and banned. This is not a regular app, but part of information warfare China is engaged in with the West.

With that logic the EU should ban Facebook/Instagram/Reddit/Twitter

Legislation how data is acquired/stored/used will solve every problems, banning the people you don't like only solve one specific problem and makes you look like a fool

The US built a monopoly on online social media and communications, this move is another evidence that it wants to remain the sole big eye

https://qz.com/1145669/googles-true-origin-partly-lies-in-ci...

https://www.spiegel.de/international/world/how-the-nsa-spies...

Re: Bipartisan Legislation to Ban TikTok

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Post by uoaei »

mrtksn wrote: post #22
philjohn wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

US Tech firms products are largely banned in China, closing off a market of 1bn+ - why should Chinese firms have unfettered access to the US?

Because China is not a good example to follow. It is a dystopian state with full control of what their citizens have access to. Why would you want to have your government to choose the apps for you?

The world is composed of shades of grey.

Re: Bipartisan Legislation to Ban TikTok

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Post by josephcsible »

I wish they'd do this via a slightly different criterion, which IMO would be more fair: ban foreign companies from operating in the US whenever American companies in the same field can't operate in the same way in the foreign company's home country (so TikTok would end up banned here since Twitter, etc. is banned there).

Re: Bipartisan Legislation to Ban TikTok

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Post by mrtksn »

uoaei wrote: post #27
mrtksn wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because China is not a good example to follow. It is a dystopian state with full control of what their citizens have access to. Why would you want to have your government to choose the apps for you?

The world is composed of shades of grey.

What shade of Pantone gray is the US government curating the AppStore?
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