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Re: On Twitch, you can never log off

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Post by iJohnDoe »

I didn’t read the whole article. However, there have been a few articles about successful Twitch streamers that have made millions. They have all said that there is a ton of pressure to stream on a regular basis. Very little sleep. So, I do believe there is pressure to stream all the time.

If you can make millions doing absolutely nothing and zero pressure, please tell everyone the secret. We would all appreciate the insight. Otherwise, a lot of us with common sense expect there to be some form of grind and sacrifice to make millions of dollars.

Re: On Twitch, you can never log off

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Post by Gigachad »

maria2 wrote: post #11
quequeque wrote: post #8

Twitch has become a much lower risk more rewarding place for many creators who want to make "low effort" content in respect to edited/curated videos. Earlier this week a content creator with ~4,000-5,000 average concurrent viewers (~300th biggest by follow count) leaked his "bounty board" of advertisements he could show to his viewers, this included a $1195 "bounty" to watch a 1 minute trailer and a $7365 "bounty" to…

The advertiser isn’t paying $1195 for 10,000 impressions. They’re paying for an endorsement. That’s much different than the YouTube pre-roll ad model.

There was something posted before about how low viewer count / less popular content creators have more impact on their viewers.

So 100 promoters with 1,000 fans each has more impact than 1 promoter with 100,000 fans.

Re: On Twitch, you can never log off

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Post by Gigachad »

rdtwo wrote: post #14
solarmist wrote: post #2

Isn’t this the next level of burnout that YouTube creators have been complaining about and feeling for years? And before that movie stars.

Yeah but it’s everywhere, you have to keep earning or you become irrelevant. Otherwise I’d be working 10-20 hrs a week

The way out is to just consume less. Have a less impressive house, have a second hand phone, cook your own food. And then you can work less in return.

Re: On Twitch, you can never log off

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Post by [deleted] »

dmonitor wrote: post #10

Seems like a lot of streamers think that streaming = not working. By the time they realize streaming is a job, they're burnt out. I respect the hell out of Ludwig for this. He treats streaming like a business, and his success speaks for itself. He doesn't foster parasocial relationships, and he avoids as much of the petty streamer drama that he possibly can. He's now transitioned towards large productions that draw i…

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Re: On Twitch, you can never log off

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Post by deathofmurat »

jasonwatkinspdx wrote: post #12
quequeque wrote: post #8

Twitch has become a much lower risk more rewarding place for many creators who want to make "low effort" content in respect to edited/curated videos. Earlier this week a content creator with ~4,000-5,000 average concurrent viewers (~300th biggest by follow count) leaked his "bounty board" of advertisements he could show to his viewers, this included a $1195 "bounty" to watch a 1 minute trailer and a $7365 "bounty" to…

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Re: On Twitch, you can never log off

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Post by weird-eye-issue »

emodendroket wrote: post #7

It seems like operating a channel shared between a few people might alleviate some of these concerns.

Yeah then the viewer count will inevitably be a lot higher when Person A is on vs when Person B is on so there are disagreements about how much to get paid and what sponsors to take etc. I've never seen this really work on Twitch. People generally watch a specific channel for a specific person. If that person isn't on they watch a different streamer

Re: On Twitch, you can never log off

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Post by weird-eye-issue »

Surprised this doesn't mention Asmongold. He just took months off from streaming and just came back like last week, and already just hit over 50,000 paid subscribers again. (In those months off he was streaming on his non-monetized alt channel where he doesn't feel any pressure with streaming and earns nothing.)

Streamers have to also be doing YouTube or creating alternate revenue streams because live streaming will inevitably burn you out. But you can take breaks...

Re: On Twitch, you can never log off

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Post by Retric »

dmonitor wrote: post #10

Seems like a lot of streamers think that streaming = not working. By the time they realize streaming is a job, they're burnt out. I respect the hell out of Ludwig for this. He treats streaming like a business, and his success speaks for itself. He doesn't foster parasocial relationships, and he avoids as much of the petty streamer drama that he possibly can. He's now transitioned towards large productions that draw i…

Fame is often fleeting which pushes people to try and save for a rainy day even if they are pulling in 6 figures. Adam Ragusea a quite successful YouTuber mentioned being quite burned out because he was doing almost everything for his videos, but said he’s also got 1 million in savings from a job that could go away at any time. For a 40 year old with a family that means a lot if things fall apart.

At the other end Hacksmith doubled down on building a team and poring everything into making more videos. So now he’s now overworked and depressed, while trying to manage and pay a team.

There is something of a middle ground, but the odds of long term success aren’t very good.

Re: On Twitch, you can never log off

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Post by mbesto »

weird-eye-issue wrote: post #27

Surprised this doesn't mention Asmongold. He just took months off from streaming and just came back like last week, and already just hit over 50,000 paid subscribers again. (In those months off he was streaming on his non-monetized alt channel where he doesn't feel any pressure with streaming and earns nothing.) Streamers have to also be doing YouTube or creating alternate revenue streams because live streaming will…

He's an exception to the rule. Same with Shroud, Dr. Disrespect, etc.

In fact there's a whole bunch of OG streamers who can play literally any game they want and they still have strong following (LIRIK, Soda, etc.) simply because they grinded out early on. Whereas for the middle of the road streamer (let's say 1-2k viewers at any given time), they can't take breaks or switch games without a huge dip in followers, and therefore $$.

Re: On Twitch, you can never log off

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Post by rdtwo »

Gigachad wrote: post #23
rdtwo wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah but it’s everywhere, you have to keep earning or you become irrelevant. Otherwise I’d be working 10-20 hrs a week

The way out is to just consume less. Have a less impressive house, have a second hand phone, cook your own food. And then you can work less in return.

I can’t scale down work to 1/4 hours and just get paid 1/4 it’s all or nothing.
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