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Why hasn’t technology disrupted higher education already?

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Re: Why hasn’t technology disrupted higher education already?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

This. More specifically, if a school isn't accredited, you can't get government financial aid to go there

I think that the parent says that while you can learn almost anything from youtube, it is imposible for other people to know that you know something you learned on youtube without a test.

Funny enough, it's impossible for people to know what you've learned and retained at University without a test. They're more willing to assume that you have though.

Re: Why hasn’t technology disrupted higher education already?

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Many parts of the elephant: no motivation to work on hard things without friends, professors, campus, well-paying jobs, and high-status contacts.

Would be interesting to see MOOCs on daily stuff: cooking, gardening, cleaning & organizing, style, hospitality.

Or MOOCs around hobbies: amateur radio, photography, sketching, watercolor, dance, music. Here there’s potential for the tech to meet users halfway.

Re: Why hasn’t technology disrupted higher education already?

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Enrollment is tanking! It did disrupted it, just not in very measurable way! Just the fact people are discussing and questioning value of higher education on social networks, means there is so e disruption! And YouTube is far better than bored and underpaid postdoc!

Enrollment is tanking because of the cost benefit analysis. States underfunded education for a generation so that Boomers could have lower income taxes, passed along the costs to students, and their incomes can’t possibly make up for the debt in a timely manner.

Re: Why hasn’t technology disrupted higher education already?

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Technology could very well disrupt higher education, but not completely tear it down. Just like Airbnb disrupts hotels but Hotels still exist and are doing better now than ever. What the future of education looks like is a lot more fractured than we can see in the past. We might think of "higher education" as just a college/university, but in reality there are already alternative forms of higher education and those w…

I don't think anyone ever thought they sounded like scams. At least, I didn't. They just weren't viable replacements for a traditional degree program. Which is fine, as long as you're not a VC losing your LP's money on something that anyone who has taught a few times know won't scale :)

Re: Why hasn’t technology disrupted higher education already?

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>> I am the opposite of a handy person, and I had no idea how to deal with this myself. But I Googled. And sure enough, there are multiple YouTubers operating in the home appliance repair space with sufficient specificity and dummy-friendliness that I was able to fix it.

As an Engineer, I have had to explain this to countless people... a mechanic is not a mechanical engineer. An electrician, is not an electrical engineer, and so on and so on.

His other anecdote of lecturer is a straw man also, as no one has done that for centuries. The idea of structured education (college) is to force you to learn ideas you would not normally learn, and have a guide to help you understand (the professor), and have those ideas organized in a pattern that aids the greater idea (e.g. taking maths: calculus, differential equations and linear algebra are not only necessary for much of engineering, but they help you to think in ways of solving problems that engineers come across often). This is one of the key problems with self-teaching, they end up not having the vast maths background to tackle complex mathematical problems, and then end up simplifying and making mistakes. In engineering, these mistakes can be deadly. In software, these mistakes can now be deadly).

Re: Why hasn’t technology disrupted higher education already?

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Hard to replace traditional education's role as a class differentiator.

Exactly. This sort of post comes up on HN at least once a month. Higher ed is a positional good.

You can watch MIT lectures, go to your local library, read blog posts, listen to podcasts, read open source. It's all free. But it won't give you that scarce resource of brand affiliation on your resume no matter how hard you try.

Whatever you learn is only one of the many components of the total package.

Re: Why hasn’t technology disrupted higher education already?

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I'll bite. Haven't they? Is higher education about the material, or the order it is presented in, and the contacts that you make along the way?

You're right, there are certain types of things that you can learn quite a lot about on the internet - this is especially true if there is no prerequisites. It's my favourite thing about the internet, and I'll never stop being grateful for it. I'm a self-taught hack, but I have a very intelligent/fortunate cousin that went to Berkeley (granted for business), and my interpretation is that it's a contacts/prestige thing. The information is mostly available elsewhere.

I'm curious to see where this discussion goes.

Re: Why hasn’t technology disrupted higher education already?

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Has any country found a better way?

I think most other countries don’t think there’s a problem. Because their college educations don’t cost several years of annual income, compounded at interest rates double what a car loan used to go for.

Re: Why hasn’t technology disrupted higher education already?

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We've already gone through an entire cycle of technology-driven higher education disruption... ever heard of an online degree? Many such online schools have made billions and lost it again by now. Separately, the accreditation scheme upholds a high barrier to entry for disruptors. Specifically, a school must be accredited (gatekept by the US Ed Dept) for matriculating students to be eligible for government financial…

Is the accreditation scheme really a high barrier to entry? Several new institutions of higher education have gained accreditation in recent years. There is some paperwork and hassle involved, but we've got to have quality control to prevent scammers from taking advantage of students and taxpayers.

Accreditation doesn't prevent schools from adopting disruptive technologies.

Re: Why hasn’t technology disrupted higher education already?

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I've worked in the ed-tech space for years and am good friends with many of the early pioneers.

Most of the capturable value in education is signal of acquired knowledge and other factors. I'll address the knowledge signaling first.

It has been possible for a century to self-study to the equivalent of a bachelor's degree using textbooks but it is very difficult to verify in a reasonable amount of time whether someone has done this. Thus, people use a degree as a first filter because people have a certain degree of trust that if you have a bachelor's degree, there's a minimum amount of knowledge you probably have. No one in ed-tech has built a tool that gives that confidence. Online universities have no pre-existing weight, and it is trivial to imagine hiring someone to do the work for you (this may now also be possible in university, but until that becomes a widespread notion it won't matter for this problem).

There are then other signals that traditional universities provide. Graduating from Stanford not only implies knowledge, it implies that you are some combination of affluent, disciplined, hard working, and smart due to the exclusivity of the admissions process. Ed-tech cannot presently reproduce this without "climbing the ranks" so to speak, siphoning off students from the same people with a better value proposition (which it does not currently have).

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