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Re: Facebook tracking is illegal in Europe

#21

The story talks about an impact on ads. While this immediately translates to something monetary, this probably extends to all sorts of analysis of user-data and will limit features that ensure continued user-engagement, too. Like recommending friends of friends, flooding the timeline with something to keep the user busy, etc.

I disagree. GDPR has provisions for data use for core features of your product. For a social network connecting friends sounds core.

Re: Facebook tracking is illegal in Europe

#22
post #9

If they can't show good ads in Europe, I assume that they will lose money and eventually have to close down here. I think that users have a right to know what happens to their data. But this is not a consent or information screen, this is the end of it. Europe tells us they do this for our own good, so we can own our data, but then they make it illegal for us to exchange our data for someone's service. Basically they…

> but then they make it illegal for us to exchange our data for someone's service

They (the EU) don't and I don't understand why you would understand it that way.

Re: Facebook tracking is illegal in Europe

#24

I don’t understand why Meta is always in the center on this problem, at least on most media. It is not relevant anymore. TikTok, or even Google should be the most concern now no?

I think with WhatsApp and Instagram under its control, Meta still has quite a reach.

Facebook might be (rapidly) declining, but I didn't hear young people switch to Signal/Telegram in masses, because their parents are also using WhatsApp.

Also: Yeah, there's TikTok, but I think Instagram is not dead yet for young(er) people.

Re: Facebook tracking is illegal in Europe

#25

I don’t understand why Meta is always in the center on this problem, at least on most media. It is not relevant anymore. TikTok, or even Google should be the most concern now no?

WhatsApp + Instagram are still relevant. Facebook is still relevant by audience size.

Re: Facebook tracking is illegal in Europe

#26
post #9

If they can't show good ads in Europe, I assume that they will lose money and eventually have to close down here. I think that users have a right to know what happens to their data. But this is not a consent or information screen, this is the end of it. Europe tells us they do this for our own good, so we can own our data, but then they make it illegal for us to exchange our data for someone's service. Basically they…

> but then they make it illegal for us to exchange our data for someone's service They (the EU) don't and I don't understand why you would understand it that way.

>EU privacy regulators say Facebook and Instagram must not force users to agree to tracking by putting this requirement into their terms.

In the context of apps like Facebook or Instagram, which make money by tracking us to show us personalised ads, this is like saying that it is illegal for supermarkets to charge us for groceries, even if customers wanted to pay for them. What happens next? The supermarket closes, evidently. And this is a win for whom? Not the supermarket, and not the clients. Everybody loses.

Re: Facebook tracking is illegal in Europe

#27
post #14

Good. So the invasive tracking that TikTok and every other social network does in Europe should also be illegal as well then? If not, then is it's only a matter of time and eventual enforcement and outlawing this behaviour for everyone. Should not be just Meta; we need to go further and cover all social networks.

Does TikTok follow you around the web to a similar extent as Facebook?

AFAIK, the regulation doesn’t cover only Meta. If forcing acceptance of tracking to use the service is illegal for Meta to do, then it’s also illegal for TikTok.

Re: Facebook tracking is illegal in Europe

#28
post #3

Glad to see that they do address the issue that for a company as big as Meta, it just ends up being a cost of doing business rather than a limitation on tracking.

Fines escalate when you keep breaking the same rules. Cost of doing business is fine when you can stop, but tracking is central to Meta’s business model.

Re: Facebook tracking is illegal in Europe

#29
post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> but then they make it illegal for us to exchange our data for someone's service They (the EU) don't and I don't understand why you would understand it that way.

>EU privacy regulators say Facebook and Instagram must not force users to agree to tracking by putting this requirement into their terms. In the context of apps like Facebook or Instagram, which make money by tracking us to show us personalised ads, this is like saying that it is illegal for supermarkets to charge us for groceries, even if customers wanted to pay for them. What happens next? The supermarket closes, e…

It's more like forbidding Kellogg's to put toys into their cereal boxes. MAYBE they cannot sell sugary cereals to kids without, but most likely they still can. Only one way to find out :)

Re: Facebook tracking is illegal in Europe

#30

I don’t understand why Meta is always in the center on this problem, at least on most media. It is not relevant anymore. TikTok, or even Google should be the most concern now no?

Facebook / Meta is the one big bad wolf that has been painted up by the media. Most common people don't even know what TikTok is.

Also, good luck getting TikTok to even reply to some weird European Data Protection official - from a country the size of a mid-sized Chinese city...

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