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Apple’s anti-union tactics in Atlanta were illegal, US officials say

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Re: Apple’s anti-union tactics in Atlanta were illegal, US officials say

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Post by frippertronics »

ajsnigrutin wrote: post #15
danuker wrote: post #2

I believe unions are necessary in a world of humongous companies. That is because, in case of disagreements, an employee's prospect (losing 100% of their income) is a much worse negotiating position than a large company losing <1% of its workforce.

Many unions soon get corrupted and get in bed with the government (or atleast one side of it). Here in slovenia, many worker unions were against the lowering the taxes on paychecks (higher net with same gross pay), because their political parties were against those, even if the workers themselves would benefit from those. We also have some areas (eg. a government rail company), where you cannot even get a job, if you…

I don't think it's valid to write off all unions based on anecdotal evidence. For every example of bad unionisation one can probably provide one or more counter-examples of good unionisation (e.g. the Scandinavian countries).

Re: Apple’s anti-union tactics in Atlanta were illegal, US officials say

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Post by thr0wawayf00 »

winReInstall wrote: post #9
WeylandYutani wrote: post #6

It's heart warming to see the US rediscover labour unions Republicans wrote American socialists out of the history books but you can't keep the people down! You'll see increased lobbying from companies for increased migration to keep wages down.

Or, hear me out, they could ditch the lipservice to democracy entirely and push some ursurper on a throne. After all strong hierarchys controlled by a godking are closer to a company anyway. What has democracy ever done for us?

> What has democracy ever done for us?

The labor movement gave us the 40 hour workweek, weekends off and the minimum wage. They're the reason you have time to opine online right now instead of working.

https://www.businessinsider.com/history-of-the-40-hour-workw... https://exhibitions.lib.umd.edu/unions/labor/living-wage

Re: Apple’s anti-union tactics in Atlanta were illegal, US officials say

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Post by nickpp »

wccrawford wrote: post #8
danuker wrote: post #2

I believe unions are necessary in a world of humongous companies. That is because, in case of disagreements, an employee's prospect (losing 100% of their income) is a much worse negotiating position than a large company losing <1% of its workforce.

As much as I don't want to be part of one, I absolutely agree that they're necessary as a check on corporations.

Corporations are kept in check by competition from other corporation. Uniting is called cartel and is illegal.

Unions on the other hand are allowed to join indefinitely, until they become multinational humongous forces like Teamsters.

So the balance of power is slanted in favor of Unions.

Re: Apple’s anti-union tactics in Atlanta were illegal, US officials say

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Post by Jotra7 »

nickpp wrote: post #23
wccrawford wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As much as I don't want to be part of one, I absolutely agree that they're necessary as a check on corporations.

Corporations are kept in check by competition from other corporation. Uniting is called cartel and is illegal. Unions on the other hand are allowed to join indefinitely, until they become multinational humongous forces like Teamsters. So the balance of power is slanted in favor of Unions.

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Re: Apple’s anti-union tactics in Atlanta were illegal, US officials say

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Post by krageon »

nickpp wrote: post #23
wccrawford wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As much as I don't want to be part of one, I absolutely agree that they're necessary as a check on corporations.

Corporations are kept in check by competition from other corporation. Uniting is called cartel and is illegal. Unions on the other hand are allowed to join indefinitely, until they become multinational humongous forces like Teamsters. So the balance of power is slanted in favor of Unions.

And yet it's not, so clearly you are making a thought error somewhere along this heavily elided process.

Re: Apple’s anti-union tactics in Atlanta were illegal, US officials say

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Post by Jotra7 »

ajsnigrutin wrote: post #16
WeylandYutani wrote: post #6

It's heart warming to see the US rediscover labour unions Republicans wrote American socialists out of the history books but you can't keep the people down! You'll see increased lobbying from companies for increased migration to keep wages down.

> You'll see increased lobbying from companies for increased migration to keep wages down. I find it funny, that here (my country, slovenia), we have right(ish) parties against immigration but more liberal workforce rules, and on the other side, we have both leftish and pure "communist" parties (even with a red star in the logo), supposedly "fighting for the workers" and at the same time supporting more immigration.

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Re: Apple’s anti-union tactics in Atlanta were illegal, US officials say

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Post by krageon »

GoOnThenDoTell wrote: post #5
danuker wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In a small business, maybe you're the only person doing . This is a more level playing field, but maybe a union is still useful here also.

In a small company, a real conversation is possible. In a large one the CEO is 100% doublespeak and the HR departments are cold

A real conversation is generally not possible anywhere. Your boss has enormous power over you and the reality is that even if you are somehow special, they won't see you that way. It sounds hopeless, but if you approach your boss in this manner (he couldn't care less whether or not you do actually get hit by a bus) the negotiation is easier to do.

Re: Apple’s anti-union tactics in Atlanta were illegal, US officials say

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Post by nickpp »

krageon wrote: post #25
nickpp wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Corporations are kept in check by competition from other corporation. Uniting is called cartel and is illegal. Unions on the other hand are allowed to join indefinitely, until they become multinational humongous forces like Teamsters. So the balance of power is slanted in favor of Unions.

And yet it's not, so clearly you are making a thought error somewhere along this heavily elided process.

Please do point out my logical error. I see countless examples of competition keeping corporations in check. What is keeping Unions in check then?

Re: Apple’s anti-union tactics in Atlanta were illegal, US officials say

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Post by anshumankmr »

frippertronics wrote: post #21
ajsnigrutin wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Many unions soon get corrupted and get in bed with the government (or atleast one side of it). Here in slovenia, many worker unions were against the lowering the taxes on paychecks (higher net with same gross pay), because their political parties were against those, even if the workers themselves would benefit from those. We also have some areas (eg. a government rail company), where you cannot even get a job, if you…

I don't think it's valid to write off all unions based on anecdotal evidence. For every example of bad unionisation one can probably provide one or more counter-examples of good unionisation (e.g. the Scandinavian countries).

Weren't the Teamsters also super corrupt?

(My only knowledge comes from watching The Irishman)

Re: Apple’s anti-union tactics in Atlanta were illegal, US officials say

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Post by AbrahamParangi »

nickpp wrote: post #28
krageon wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And yet it's not, so clearly you are making a thought error somewhere along this heavily elided process.

Please do point out my logical error. I see countless examples of competition keeping corporations in check. What is keeping Unions in check then?

Unions are kept in check by attrition of the companies they are associated with.
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