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Re: FreeBSD 12.4

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Telnetd is deprecated here. When I started hosting professional web hosting in 1997, telnet was the standard way to log into servers. FreeBSD, which we used, didn't integrate SSH into the base system until 2000. In practice, no credentials were known to be compromised by sending them in plaintext. I recall a pretty rapid industry switch from telnet to SSH when it became available outside of OpenBSD.

It was pretty easy to get someone's password by tailing /var/log/messages and waiting to see a auth failure followed by a success with a totally different username (i.e. not what looks like an entry correcting a typo). That only worked on shared hosting environments, of course.

Re: FreeBSD 12.4

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It does have a solid and well documented upgrade process, provided you're on the latest stable version prior to executing the upgrade. Fall behind by 3 or 4 versions and it's a long laborious task to upgrade each one. For products containing the OS which are shipped out to customers (NAS, firewalls, appliances, etc) this process might be too high risk, so it's easier to never upgrade - but ship new hardware, usually…

> For products containing the OS I'm not personally familiar with any commercial products shipping OpenBSD, but it was my understanding that the "proper" way to do this is to fork the OpenBSD build infrastructure, or at least build your own release tarballs, and basically push your own OpenBSD'ish distro. AFAIU, the binary patching and upgrade frameworks make some (limited?) effort to accommodate the creation and mai…

By OS I meant in the context of FreeBSD. I too can't think of any commercial projects with embedded OpenBSD

Re: FreeBSD 12.4

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Something I've really come to appreciate with OpenBSD is the stability and ease of in-place upgrades. I'm not very familiar with FreeBSD, but from what I've read it seems it too has stable, straightforward, in-place version upgrades. I'd love to hear people's experiences. I've found with Linux distributions that aren't rolling releases, things tend to break in annoying and insidious ways, such that you generally need…

> I've found with Linux distributions that aren't rolling releases, things tend to break in annoying and insidious ways, such that you generally need to, or at least it is strongly advisable to, fresh install each time.

I think this is generally not true, at least of the major distributions. Others have already commented about Debian and Ubuntu, to which I want to add that updating Fedora over many, many releases has been completely seamless for me. The dnf system-upgrade plugin Just Works.

Re: FreeBSD 12.4

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> For products containing the OS I'm not personally familiar with any commercial products shipping OpenBSD, but it was my understanding that the "proper" way to do this is to fork the OpenBSD build infrastructure, or at least build your own release tarballs, and basically push your own OpenBSD'ish distro. AFAIU, the binary patching and upgrade frameworks make some (limited?) effort to accommodate the creation and mai…

By OS I meant in the context of FreeBSD. I too can't think of any commercial projects with embedded OpenBSD

>I too can't think of any commercial projects with embedded OpenBSD

The genugates appliances use openBSD:

https://www.genua.eu/

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