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Iran abolishes morality police

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Re: Iran abolishes morality police

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For reference: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_Iranian_coup_d%27%C3%A9ta... That was 70 years ago. Are countries, their people, and their policies immutable? If this was a genuine question and not the snide remark that it appears to be, then a good place to investigate whether or not the UK government has any support for it or not would be to check out BBC Persia. De jure the BBC are not a government entity, but t…

Look what a happened in Egypt

Well they elected religious extremists who weren’t particularly keen about democracy either. I think democracy is more than just majority rule. Of course El-Sisi’s regime is not much better..

Re: Iran abolishes morality police

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As nntaleb postulates, once a dictatorship starts giving concessions, it is on its last legs. Therefore I do not believe this news.

Hard to say something complex like a dictatorship gets overturned by just one variable. I much more favor the view laid out in "Revolutions: A Very Short Introduction" by Jack A. Goldstone.

> There are five elements that create an unstable social equilibrium: economic or fiscal strain, alienation and opposition among the elites, widespread popular anger at injustice, a persuasive shared narrative of resistance, and favorable international relations.

With those in mind, Iran doesn't seem that close to a revolution, yet.

Re: Iran abolishes morality police

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As nntaleb postulates, once a dictatorship starts giving concessions, it is on its last legs. Therefore I do not believe this news.

Lots of dictatorships make concessions and continue to stick around: take Cuba with its market reforms of the 1990s and 2000s, ditto North Korea. But I don’t believe this news either, but simply because I haven’t seen any reporting that independently verifies the claim being made.

It's a different kind of concession, though. Elites like market reforms because they are positioned to get rich off them, so they can lead to a reinforcement of existing power structures.

Re: Iran abolishes morality police

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You could at least trust how any government of a country with foreign investors would react to internal instability. An overthrow of the current government, which seems to be what you're advocating for, does not necessarily result in better outcomes for all.

"does not necessarily result in better outcomes for all" You are right as far as the "there is always a worse alternative out there" observation goes. (Though I must note that this idea is rather trivial.) But the alternative of tolerating the current regime on and on is pretty ghastly. If Iranians are ready to be shot dead in order to protest, the situation must be grim indeed. I am not surprised the least that Russ…

> Birds of a feather flock

This really does not make much sense when you think about the relationship between most Western Countries and SA, other Gulf States, Turkey, Azerbaijan etc..

Both Iran and Russia are politically and economically isolated this is more than enough to explain their closer cooperation.

Re: Iran abolishes morality police

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Look what a happened in Egypt

Well they elected religious extremists who weren’t particularly keen about democracy either. I think democracy is more than just majority rule. Of course El-Sisi’s regime is not much better..

So instead of a flawed democracy we rather support a military dictatorship.
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