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Re: Discord’s Creator Portal

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Post by NetIsFree »

Netisneverfree wrote: post #12
matai_kolila wrote: post #10

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Agreed. It's hard to create quality content, and even harder to do it without being able to monetize that content. "The Internet should be free!" that's just not sustainable. I'm sorry but it isn't.

That's just it. The internet was never free. There has pretty much always been some method that people have been making money off of creating content for it, in some format or another. Whether it be basic ads, affiliate links, sponsorship spots, or web stores; the internet has always been paid for somehow in some way. And that's before we discuss things like ISP's providing that connection to it in the first place. P…

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Re: Discord’s Creator Portal

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Post by unity1001 »

hisnameishank wrote: post #16
unity1001 wrote: post #13

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You can connect more things to Patreon - your website, custom apps, even software and provide patron-only features from all of those thanks to Patreon. To compete with Patreon, Discord needs to provide all of that.

Not really, the Discord API will probably supply some sort of status per user in a given discord channel. Discord is already setup for users to interact with server bots on a rich command palate. Bots at this point are just server extensions. Webhooks have been a thing for ages. Discord is arguably one of the easiest services to bind to from a developer's perspective.

> Not really, the Discord API will probably supply some sort of status per user in a given discord channel.

They definitely could. But their rate-limiting schemes cripple any large-size integration. When you have up to a few hundred users, that may work. But if you have thousands of users triggering calls to the Discord API through all the apps that you can connect if Discord even allows it, then you will hit their brick-like rate limits way too fast.

Patreon is much better with that - people can connect all their apps, websites, Vimeo, Discord, Discourse, even desktop software that they distribute, and get them work with their membership at Patreon. There are even GTA servers, GTA mods that distribute member-only benefits to their users via Patreon. I'd even say that its a very good way for desktop software makers to monetize their apps too. Like the PC benchmark software maker OCCT does. (https://www.patreon.com/occt)

Re: Discord’s Creator Portal

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Post by lumenwrites »

Personally, I'm really excited about this. For two reasons:

1. I love using Discord and building communities there. But it does take a lot of work. A way to monetize some of this stuff is very welcome. Even if I won't end up doing this for my own projects, I like that there's an incentive for people to put a lot of effort into building high quality communities (which I'd be happy to pay to participate in).

2. If this works well, Discord will finally have a good monetization model. Many social networks start out awesome and useful, but then go downhill when it's time to start making money and extracting value from users (think Medium, Quora, etc). Discord is one of the most useful and fun tools I use day to day (both for my work and for my hobbies), and it was kind of concerning that I didn't see a way for them to make money. If they have a way to make profit without turning into an ad-riddled user-hostile dark-pattern-filled mess, it'll be great for everyone.

Re: Discord’s Creator Portal

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Post by candiddevmike »

lumenwrites wrote: post #23

Personally, I'm really excited about this. For two reasons: 1. I love using Discord and building communities there. But it does take a lot of work. A way to monetize some of this stuff is very welcome. Even if I won't end up doing this for my own projects, I like that there's an incentive for people to put a lot of effort into building high quality communities (which I'd be happy to pay to participate in). 2. If this…

Nitro is how discord makes money today, "creators" don't get a cut from it, instead they or their community pay for discord as a service like every other "creator".

Re: Discord’s Creator Portal

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Post by Gigachad »

PaulsWallet wrote: post #9
malwrar wrote: post #4

tl;dr it looks like Discord is working to introduce paid servers, channels, etc intended for content creators to monetize fan interaction. The vibe their docs give off makes it feel similar to how Patreon allows you to get exclusive content and chat direct with creators, but it does feel weird putting a direct price tag on participating on an instant messaging app. Discord is pretty explicit about creators governing…

>...this move does feel like they're just going to encourage more and more of the net to be blocked off behind a paywall. On a personal level I have no problem with this. It's just one way of moderating and curating your community. Not everyone has the time and resources to deal with a free for all.

Paid servers have also always existed. They just run through bots and crappy integrations.

Re: Discord’s Creator Portal

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Post by kixiQu »

A word problem: If it's 90%-10% revenue share, but they have a blogpost (https://discord.com/creators/server-subs-104-price-your-subs...) explaining that you need to shoot to make 110% in revenue of the amount you need to take home before taxes, what percent confidence should one have in their ability to manage creators' funds?

Re: Discord’s Creator Portal

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Post by csande17 »

kixiQu wrote: post #26

A word problem: If it's 90%-10% revenue share, but they have a blogpost ( https://discord.com/creators/server-subs-104-price-your-subs... ) explaining that you need to shoot to make 110% in revenue of the amount you need to take home before taxes, what percent confidence should one have in their ability to manage creators' funds?

...Have I missed something, or are you mad at them for rounding 1/.9 = 1.111... to "110%" in an article about estimating revenue? Unless you're able to guess the number of subscribers you'll have with 3 significant figures of precision, that seems entirely appropriate.

Re: Discord’s Creator Portal

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Post by MattDemers »

lumenwrites wrote: post #23

Personally, I'm really excited about this. For two reasons: 1. I love using Discord and building communities there. But it does take a lot of work. A way to monetize some of this stuff is very welcome. Even if I won't end up doing this for my own projects, I like that there's an incentive for people to put a lot of effort into building high quality communities (which I'd be happy to pay to participate in). 2. If this…

I mostly dislike how this is adding nothing new to Discord syncing subscriber status from Twitch or Patreon; doing that assigned the subscriber who connected their accounts a role, which could then be used for permissions to access content. This is all that a Discord Subscriber gets (role access to exclusive channels), besides "Premium Emotes", which is nebulous in value.

Discord are streamlining the process that wasn't particularly complicated to begin with. I'm imagining someone went "wait, why aren't we getting a piece of that pie?", and this is what they arrived at: make fans and communities need to choose where they put their subscription money to, and hope that enough people decide that Discord is the central venue they experience a community.

For Twitch streamers, this might not be as successful as they'd like it to be, if there's more value associated with being a Twitch sub than a Discord sub. Streamers really need to be leaning hard on a Discord-specific product in order to justify a second (or well, primary) subscription, and I don't see a ton of people doing that.

Re: Discord’s Creator Portal

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Post by MattDemers »

thatguy0900 wrote: post #15
natdempk wrote: post #7

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I think the way this will work out in practice is basically how the bridges between Patreon + Discord already work, but with better integration to Discord features. Basically the way most of these work today is if you become a Patron you get a role and get added to some private discord channels with other subscribers, but the base server remains accessible to all. This makes sense from a marketing/activity/alignment…

Seems like this would be better served with just patreon and only fans integration. Discord could charge the creators to turn it on. Why would I subscribe to someone once on there and then again to them on discord.

It depends what the "primary" place is. If poeple go to Patreon to receive a product, and Discord is a sidebar to that, then yeah, keep it to Patreon. If a Discord community is funded with a Patreon, this can be a replacement.
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