12 hour work shifts sound horrible. Is this possible in the US?
Abbott Laboratories operate 12-hour shift patterns and they are FDA regulated
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#23Earlier quoted context omitted.
They're also building a fab in Japan and that one seems to be progressing much faster. About the Invasion of Taiwan, I kinda doubt it. They just had local elections and the president Tsai said it would be a referendum on her stance against China[1]. IF that is really the case then it seems like the Taiwanese people have voted against being turned into another Ukraine.[2] I am not currently in Taiwan, but a couple of…
The US has less "skin in the game" now that the TSMC core tech can be found on US soil - that's what the parent and me are referring to. Taiwan is not able to defend itself without US aid. ps. I'm not in the valley and it's not about "hawkish" views, it is pure power-play.
Oh absolutely, I can't say I disagree with you. But I'm just saying that it also means that if the US drops Taiwan they do have a lot of politicians that are sympathetic to mainland China. So it doesn't necessarily have to be an invasion at that point.
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#24Hopefully we'll do something like that here in the EU too. We're experiencing the hard way how's like depending on the energy and resources of warmongering criminal dictators; it would be wise to start moving away from technological dependence on China asap.
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#2512 hour work shifts sound horrible. Is this possible in the US?
12 hour shifts, while highly uncommon, are legal even in some of the most developed EU countries.
Though, there's weekly hourly limits and limits on how many consecutive days you can have 12h shifts.
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#2612 hour work shifts sound horrible. Is this possible in the US?
12+ hour shifts are the norm for nurses in the US, so apparently.
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#2712 hour work shifts sound horrible. Is this possible in the US?
Long shifts are pretty common in important real-world (vs. office) jobs. For instance, hospital ICU nurses:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3786347/
Table 1 (n = 5,831) shows that 80% of the ICU nurses reported that their last shift was 12-13 hours. Another 5% reported a >13 hour sift.
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#28I think it cannot be understated how important this may be in the future, given the geopolitical situation btw the US/EU, China and Taiwan.
"overstated"
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#29I love how “we can’t make chips in the US anymore it’s impossible” was something we heard only a few years ago.
Yes I thought advocating for bringing manufacturing back onshore meant you were an economic illiterate and a xenophobe.
I guess that was before supply-chain security became important and the only consequence was the people that dont matter losing their jobs.
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#3012 hour work shifts sound horrible. Is this possible in the US?
It's been a few years but I've known a number people who worked on the production lines at Intel's fabs in Hillsboro, Oregon. Many, if not all of them worked 3 twelve hour shifts each week. As I understand it the schedule is pretty common in production facilities of this type.
Note: I'm not commenting on the suitability of the practice, just on the fact that it's not unique to certain countries in Asia.