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Norway: Landlines will no longer be supported

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Re: Norway: Landlines will no longer be supported

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In the UK, unless you're on virgin (there might be a few others I'm unaware of), you're pretty much forced to have a landline for which you're charged line rental, even if you don't or will never use it.

> even if you don't or will never use it

But if your VDSL signal is coming down the landline then you _are_ using it. At least that's what I told myself to try to feel better about it (FTTP now!)

Re: Norway: Landlines will no longer be supported

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In the event of a disaster (earthquake, flood, blizzard) is voip infrastructure more or less 'fragile' than a copper landline? I assume this deprication will probably be cost related but I am curious about the implications on the emergency side of things.

Pure old copper-line phones did not need a working power outlet in your home - electricity was introduced to the system at facilities of the phone company (often miles away), and often used a dedicated electric grid.

With VoIP, you tend to have your own, plugged-in wall box. Which becomes useless the moment your electricity stops, e.g. in case of natural disasters.

Also, analog telephony just sounds better than digital one. No downsampling happening.

Re: Norway: Landlines will no longer be supported

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getting misty-eyed thinking of all the kids who'll never become phone phreaks. man, early technology was fun.

maybe we should bring back phreaking just as a game. is there such a thing as a hacker museum? we could set up a mini exchange, payphones, pbx, conf lines, etc and let kids hack it. and there would be no website; you'd have to connect to the BBS to get information, or join a party line.

Re: Norway: Landlines will no longer be supported

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We all stil have a telephone pole in the yard - during the last refurbishment I asked the contractor to cut the wire from my office jack to just short of telephone box - cap it and loop it and use a cable tie to put it on the pole.

We now have an underground fibre to all the homes in our suburb.

US Robotics will always be special to me and nothing to do with robots.

Re: Norway: Landlines will no longer be supported

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Around 2012-2013, my 5/6-ish year old daughter found an old wired phone I kept around and she was astonished when I told her that wires used to connect phones. "You need wires to phone call? But why!" A few years back, in India, competition amongst the ISP/Telephone providers were heating up and everything became so cheap and readily available. I got Jio for fun, and then Airtel in hope to stop them from calling/text…

I still have a landline at home that I basically never use, "just in case". When I had a co-worker over a few years ago he brought his ~8yo, and it was a similar story. A wired phone was totally fascinating for him. Never mind that cell phones are tiny, are powered from a battery and make your voice travel through the air to as far away as you want, and even make it possible to see the person you're taking to. No, th…

Also it makes a world of difference when kids learn that they can actually build an usable toy phone by connecting a battery, some long wires and two pairs of carbon mic and speaker capsules. There were kits to do that when us grey beards were kids, and I'm confident some of them contributed to a few engineering careers much later.

Re: Norway: Landlines will no longer be supported

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Around 2012-2013, my 5/6-ish year old daughter found an old wired phone I kept around and she was astonished when I told her that wires used to connect phones. "You need wires to phone call? But why!" A few years back, in India, competition amongst the ISP/Telephone providers were heating up and everything became so cheap and readily available. I got Jio for fun, and then Airtel in hope to stop them from calling/text…

I still have a landline at home that I basically never use, "just in case". When I had a co-worker over a few years ago he brought his ~8yo, and it was a similar story. A wired phone was totally fascinating for him. Never mind that cell phones are tiny, are powered from a battery and make your voice travel through the air to as far away as you want, and even make it possible to see the person you're taking to. No, th…

Reminds of a joke from Futurama, when a person from the year 3000 sees a phone booth:

“They have phones in booths now? What am I logging this thing around for!?” And throws away their cellphone.

Re: Norway: Landlines will no longer be supported

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In the event of a disaster (earthquake, flood, blizzard) is voip infrastructure more or less 'fragile' than a copper landline? I assume this deprication will probably be cost related but I am curious about the implications on the emergency side of things.

I think that for most households, mobile phones are increasingly the replacement for landlines. That requires mobile operators to keep at least a share of their cell towers online, which seems easier than keeping the physical line to each household online in the event of a disaster.

Re: Norway: Landlines will no longer be supported

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In the UK, unless you're on virgin (there might be a few others I'm unaware of), you're pretty much forced to have a landline for which you're charged line rental, even if you don't or will never use it.

Yeah that’s not true anymore. You can have broadband without a landline from most providers now. We have internet from BT over a normal telephone cable but don’t have phone service, it was an optional extra.

Re: Norway: Landlines will no longer be supported

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In NZ, landlines are also on their way out.

It's not quite unsupported, but you can't sign up for a new copper landline plan unless there is no mobile coverage and no fibre coverage at your property. Otherwise, for anyone who really wants a "landline" you are getting VOIP over fibre or VOIP over mobile broadband.

87% of population have access to the new fibre network, and the old copper network is just redundant and unmantained in most built-up areas. Chorus recent started actively forcing remaining customers off it in some areas.

Personally, I've been without a landline for 10 years, and even my parents got rid of their landline a few years back. It's just cheaper to use a mobile phones instead (and in NZ, mobile phones come with the additional benefit of never receiving spam calls)

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