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After Delhi High Court ruling, Telegram discloses personal details of users

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Re: After Delhi High Court ruling, Telegram discloses personal details of users

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Post by ummonk »

ls15 wrote: post #2

Don't use messengers that ask for your phone number and aren't end-to-end encrypted. Use services that store as little data as possible. If data is stored, it can be given away and I would assume that it will be given away. Telegram disguises itself as encrypted chat app, when it is actually just a regular centralized plaintext messenger that has an encryption feature that nobody uses.

End-to-end encryption doesn't protect you from this, since any recipient can report illegal material to the authorities and trigger an investigation of the sender.

Re: After Delhi High Court ruling, Telegram discloses personal details of users

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Post by rvz »

Markoff wrote: post #16
cpach wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Signal is the most secure messaging app out there.

ROFL Signal uses centralized server with closed source (they hidden code for one year until they finally gave up when users nagged them, nobody knows what they did during that year), Signal requires your phone number, Signal doesn't allow third party apps officially and tried to push some shady crypto, I mean how many red flags you need to avoid such POS app?

This.

As Signal is on a centralized Google Cloud instance, it can easily be shut down by the providers and that is that.

> nobody knows what they did during that year).

They (and Moxie) were too busy shoving their private cryptocurrency scam project in Signal to later get as many users using it as possible to then pump and dump the coins on exchanges.

Signal is a complete joke.

Re: After Delhi High Court ruling, Telegram discloses personal details of users

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Post by nonrandomstring »

ls15 wrote: post #10
bentley wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I sympathize with the sentiment, but the vast majority of my contacts already use other messaging systems that are identified by phone number such as SMS and WhatsApp—they don’t even use email, at least not for “text messaging”‐like things. In practice I’ve found that Signal has been the most successful privacy‐respecting messenger that my friends communicate with, which I attribute in large part to its policy of pop…

"Network effects" is an euphemism for "peer pressure" .

Well said.

Pondering why your refactoring of "Network Effects" has a lot of truth;

The supposed property that the attractive influence of a network is proportional to its size, rather like gravitational agglomeration, turns out to be largely false in practice.

My observation is that people don't join a network because "all their friends" are on it. That's a myth. But they do find it hard to leave because one or two highly weighted friends (family, parents living abroad etc) are on it.

You could probably say "network effects is just marketing" too. I think the idea of "organic growth" is also largely a myth. Massive amounts of marketing hype and billion dollar influence operations herd the masses, and also default settings and bundling. It's hard to avoid Google, Facebook or Twitter when your phone and browser come pre-configured with them.

Re: After Delhi High Court ruling, Telegram discloses personal details of users

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Post by vore »

Markoff wrote: post #16
cpach wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Signal is the most secure messaging app out there.

ROFL Signal uses centralized server with closed source (they hidden code for one year until they finally gave up when users nagged them, nobody knows what they did during that year), Signal requires your phone number, Signal doesn't allow third party apps officially and tried to push some shady crypto, I mean how many red flags you need to avoid such POS app?

The Signal client has always been open source: you can inspect precisely what the client is sending to the server (if you trust the source). If you're not sending undesirable information from the client to the server, no amount of closed source-ness of the server is going to get that from you.

Signal has always been transparent about what information get sent to the server: https://signal.org/blog/private-contact-discovery/

Even if some adversary is doing some kind of correlation to glean metadata from your traffic, they are definitely doing the table stakes here to preserve privacy and not just send your information off willy-nilly.

Re: After Delhi High Court ruling, Telegram discloses personal details of users

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Post by maxpro »

stefandesu wrote: post #17
pdimitar wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It doesn't claim that it's immune to requests from authorities, as far as I can see.

Pavel Durov seems to be proud of never having disclosed user data to authorities and mentions it every time he disses another messenger. Guess he can't do that anymore now. (Just to clarify: I like Telegram. I just don't like Durov very much and the way he positions Telegram as the superior messenger in every way, even though it obviously isn't when it comes to encryption in particular.)

It is not the first case for Telegram. So, Durov will continue with his show... they claim that Telegram is e2e encrypted, but don't mention that needs to be activated per chat

Re: After Delhi High Court ruling, Telegram discloses personal details of users

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Post by dncornholio »

ls15 wrote: post #2

Don't use messengers that ask for your phone number and aren't end-to-end encrypted. Use services that store as little data as possible. If data is stored, it can be given away and I would assume that it will be given away. Telegram disguises itself as encrypted chat app, when it is actually just a regular centralized plaintext messenger that has an encryption feature that nobody uses.

So that basically means don't use any messenger.

Re: After Delhi High Court ruling, Telegram discloses personal details of users

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Post by Eleison23 »

Imagine if our water service was like the Internet: We'd distribute potable water by shooting it way up into the sky and just having a constant municipal drizzle/rain/downpour everywhere. Every house would have some buckets to collect enough potable water to use.

Then the sewer system would be a bucket brigade: You fill a bucket at home and bring it over to your neighbor, and they pass it on in a long stinky chain of wastewater until it gets to the treatment plant or the ocean.

There would be no such thing as faucets, pipes, or protected water sources. It would just be a cycle of spraying it all into the air and bucket-brigading back to the source.

And that's today's Internet.

Re: After Delhi High Court ruling, Telegram discloses personal details of users

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Post by yoavm »

rvz wrote: post #22
Markoff wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

ROFL Signal uses centralized server with closed source (they hidden code for one year until they finally gave up when users nagged them, nobody knows what they did during that year), Signal requires your phone number, Signal doesn't allow third party apps officially and tried to push some shady crypto, I mean how many red flags you need to avoid such POS app?

This. As Signal is on a centralized Google Cloud instance, it can easily be shut down by the providers and that is that. > nobody knows what they did during that year). They (and Moxie) were too busy shoving their private cryptocurrency scam project in Signal to later get as many users using it as possible to then pump and dump the coins on exchanges. Signal is a complete joke.

The fact that it can be shut down easily has nothing to do with how secure it is. I too dislike the fact that it is centralized, and the cryptocurrency thing, but from this to say that Signal is "complete joke" - it's not just a long way, it's non-sense.
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