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Re: Tech Talent Is Flooding the Job Market

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Post by Dirak »

TechBro8615 wrote: post #5

For moral reasons, I don't want to hire someone who worked at Facebook. For business reasons, I don't want to hire someone who was one of the worst performers at Facebook. I expect many of these candidates will be laughed out of the room during the negotiating stage for asking for $300k total comp. The good times are over!

That's a two way street. I equally wouldn't want to work with someone who makes sweeping generalizations.

> For moral reasons, I don't want to hire someone who worked at Facebook.

That's quite a hostile and closed minded take, but an understandable cope for someone who could never hire a FAANG engineer in the first place.

Re: Tech Talent Is Flooding the Job Market

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Post by nsonha »

amusedcyclist wrote: post #12
anon50118810 wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you speaking from experience? Almost all of the jobs at the page you linked are either not in the U.S. or require hardware education or experience. Most are not remote. Could you please describe the actual steps and timeline for, say, a frontend or backend web developer without an engineering degree to transition into one of those jobs?

Do you have strong CS fundamentals (generally acquired through university education) ? Because that stuff really matters if you want to work on stuff related to hardware

why did you say CS fundamentals when it's clear that it should be computer architecture and instruction sets and compiler engineering, which are a very narrow and specific parts of CS and in fact are never the parts that people refer to (DS & algo) when they say CS fundamentals.

Re: Tech Talent Is Flooding the Job Market

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Post by cozos »

Dirak wrote: post #21
TechBro8615 wrote: post #5

For moral reasons, I don't want to hire someone who worked at Facebook. For business reasons, I don't want to hire someone who was one of the worst performers at Facebook. I expect many of these candidates will be laughed out of the room during the negotiating stage for asking for $300k total comp. The good times are over!

That's a two way street. I equally wouldn't want to work with someone who makes sweeping generalizations. > For moral reasons, I don't want to hire someone who worked at Facebook. That's quite a hostile and closed minded take, but an understandable cope for someone who could never hire a FAANG engineer in the first place.

Agree. Sounds like a very biased hiring manager. And they seem to have fantasies about laughing prospective employees out of the room. Doesn't sound like a great place to work - doubt anybody good would be interested to work there in the first place.

Re: Tech Talent Is Flooding the Job Market

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Post by bergenty »

TechBro8615 wrote: post #9
bergenty wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m not sure why you’re celebrating that high paying jobs for workers are over.

Because they never really existed in the first place, except for at a few major corporations that basically monopolized the labor market and forced a choice between morality or high pay. Meanwhile, the workers who took those jobs deluded themselves into thinking they deserved those salaries based purely on merit, and that their salary would keep increasing throughout their career.

The biggest corporations in America that hired millions of people? You’re cutting off your nose to spite your face.

Re: Tech Talent Is Flooding the Job Market

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Post by TechBro8615 »

cozos wrote: post #23
Dirak wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's a two way street. I equally wouldn't want to work with someone who makes sweeping generalizations. > For moral reasons, I don't want to hire someone who worked at Facebook. That's quite a hostile and closed minded take, but an understandable cope for someone who could never hire a FAANG engineer in the first place.

Agree. Sounds like a very biased hiring manager. And they seem to have fantasies about laughing prospective employees out of the room. Doesn't sound like a great place to work - doubt anybody good would be interested to work there in the first place.

Of course it's biased, that's the point: to be biased against people who worked at Facebook.

Re: Tech Talent Is Flooding the Job Market

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Post by amusedcyclist »

nsonha wrote: post #22
amusedcyclist wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you have strong CS fundamentals (generally acquired through university education) ? Because that stuff really matters if you want to work on stuff related to hardware

why did you say CS fundamentals when it's clear that it should be computer architecture and instruction sets and compiler engineering, which are a very narrow and specific parts of CS and in fact are never the parts that people refer to (DS & algo) when they say CS fundamentals.

They're pretty closely tied together. If you have a strong background in algorithms you should be able to understand ISA's and compilers more easily. In the end its just algorithms all the way down

Re: Tech Talent Is Flooding the Job Market

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Post by nsonha »

amusedcyclist wrote: post #26
nsonha wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

why did you say CS fundamentals when it's clear that it should be computer architecture and instruction sets and compiler engineering, which are a very narrow and specific parts of CS and in fact are never the parts that people refer to (DS & algo) when they say CS fundamentals.

They're pretty closely tied together. If you have a strong background in algorithms you should be able to understand ISA's and compilers more easily. In the end its just algorithms all the way down

lol nice try

Re: Tech Talent Is Flooding the Job Market

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Post by FrontierPsych »

TechBro8615 wrote: post #5

For moral reasons, I don't want to hire someone who worked at Facebook. For business reasons, I don't want to hire someone who was one of the worst performers at Facebook. I expect many of these candidates will be laughed out of the room during the negotiating stage for asking for $300k total comp. The good times are over!

>I don't want to hire someone who was one of the worst performers at Facebook.

I get what you are saying, but the worst performer at Facebook is most likely going to be a MUCH better engineer/programmer than a mid-level or low-level technician at YOUR company. Maybe it is true that they don't measure up any more at Facebook, but they might not measure up by 1 or 2% so they got cut. But that is still WAY better than anyone at someone else's company. The workers that get cut are the "A-" GPA employees. The ones with a 4.0 stay.

What is going to happen is that the high-end "A-" employees at the "A" companies are pushed down to the "B" level companies, and the "B" level employees will now be pushed down to "C" level companies. And the "C" level people are going to be pushed out the door. The lowest level workers are going to have the toughest time overall and especially "C" level new hires most of all.

As the saying goes, shit flows downhill, and "C" level employees and new hires are always at the bottom of the totem pole.

Re: Tech Talent Is Flooding the Job Market

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Post by FrontierPsych »

Lind5 wrote: post #2

Software engineers looking for a job should consider the chip industry, which is not just about hardware engineers. Plenty of software engineer openings https://semiengineering.com/jobs/ and many are remote

Software engineering in the chip industry always seemed like a completely and totally different thing to me. Knowledge of physics and nanoscale architecture and calculus and all kinds of stuff that I don't need to know just to create an online form on my webiste for people to fill out.

I don't know, maybe I have the wrong view, but it always seemed like that to me. I just do business software development because all it has is addition, subtraction, division, and muliplication, and percentages every once in a while. No way could I create a program for a hardcore physics app. Because you have to know physics. To some extent, anyways. Anything more than basic math, forget it. And I think most people at organizations like facebook, netflix, etc are more like me. Maybe I'm wrong, but that would be my bet.

Re: Tech Talent Is Flooding the Job Market

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Post by amusedcyclist »

nsonha wrote: post #27
amusedcyclist wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They're pretty closely tied together. If you have a strong background in algorithms you should be able to understand ISA's and compilers more easily. In the end its just algorithms all the way down

lol nice try

what do you mean by that lol
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