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Re: Tell HN: Cloudflare Is Blocking Piped

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Post by danr4 »

zelphirkalt wrote: post #15

By now Cloudflare is more of an obstacle to the free web than it is helping. A centralized entity, whose scripts from randomly named subdomains you must allow to run on your machine, or be stuck at their obnoxious "checking your browser" page endlessly reloading, because some web dev decided to put their website behind Cloudflare. Cloudflare is one of the most prominent reasons for me to simply close the browser tab…

I don’t know… the so called free web is also a bot paradise, and like it or not cloudflare is actually helping mitigate it to some degree. It comes with a cost but maybe it’s worth it?

Re: Tell HN: Cloudflare Is Blocking Piped

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Post by ilyt »

zelphirkalt wrote: post #15

By now Cloudflare is more of an obstacle to the free web than it is helping. A centralized entity, whose scripts from randomly named subdomains you must allow to run on your machine, or be stuck at their obnoxious "checking your browser" page endlessly reloading, because some web dev decided to put their website behind Cloudflare. Cloudflare is one of the most prominent reasons for me to simply close the browser tab…

I still remember when they posted some articles about those pages wasting time

https://blog.cloudflare.com/introducing-cryptographic-attest...

while they are main reason (in my browsing at least) the "verification pages" happen.

Re: Tell HN: Cloudflare Is Blocking Piped

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Post by luckylion »

zelphirkalt wrote: post #15

By now Cloudflare is more of an obstacle to the free web than it is helping. A centralized entity, whose scripts from randomly named subdomains you must allow to run on your machine, or be stuck at their obnoxious "checking your browser" page endlessly reloading, because some web dev decided to put their website behind Cloudflare. Cloudflare is one of the most prominent reasons for me to simply close the browser tab…

What scripts from random subdomains are you referring to? I know that from Cloudfront (Amazon's CDN), not Cloudflare. CF usually keeps everything on your domain.

The "checking your browser" isn't a default CF thing btw, that's up to the site owner and how paranoid they are (with or without reason). It's annoying me too, but we have sites on CF and practically nobody sees any checks when they access our sites.

Re: Tell HN: Cloudflare Is Blocking Piped

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Post by ilyt »

sdze wrote: post #11

Why would anybody in the right mind centralize his/her infrastructure? I doubt that people actually need something like Cloudflare.

You can use shit slow language with fat framework and just put it behind CF and run half decent, that's why people use it

Re: Tell HN: Cloudflare Is Blocking Piped

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Post by luckylion »

Dylan16807 wrote: post #8
ronnier wrote: post #4

Cloudflare is making my live very difficult right now. Spammers are hosting websites using free domains, like .ml, .tk, so an unlimited supply of random domains, hosting them behind cloud flare which prevents us from easily getting the page content or blocking the IP for a period of time since the IP is shared. Lots of spam hosted on cloudflare these days.

How do they make it hard to get the page content? Is it easier/better to block by IP than to block unknown free domains?

We've seen similar things where spammers scrape our sites, put them up slightly modified and use cloudflare to block access to most of the web. They're obviously letting Googlebot through, but I've tried accessing it from dozens of countries and they're always straight up denied. I don't know what they're doing exactly, maybe it's an SEO attack, or they might be running ads and allowing that traffic to pass through.

If CF had a simple way to get (verified!) customer details, much of the crime using CF would go away while the pure DDOS-protection and CDN-usage wouldn't be impacted. Legitimate companies have their legal info on their websites anyhow, they don't care if you also can query CF about who they are.

Re: Tell HN: Cloudflare Is Blocking Piped

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Post by kklisura »

mhoad wrote: post #5

This is the same company that has repeatedly gone to the mat to ensure Nazi’s and targeted hate campaigns remain active online. But this is where they draw the line? They have on multiple occasions had long and public campaigns talking about how important it is to fight censorship in all its forms except a random DMCA troll in Hong Kong? I don’t think Cloudflare really love “free speech” as much as they pretend in th…

They draw the line on a legal request. You don't want them to break the law, do you? There's a difference between pulling content off due to your disfavor of the content itself and legal requests to take it off.

Re: Tell HN: Cloudflare Is Blocking Piped

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Post by ThePhysicist »

I mean it's Piped's decision to host their service on Cloudflare, no? No on forces them to use that service, so I don't see this as an issue with CF. They are not "the Internet", even though their marketing makes you believe that, thousands of large services run fine without routing their traffic through them.

Re: Tell HN: Cloudflare Is Blocking Piped

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Post by shrimpx »

danr4 wrote: post #21
zelphirkalt wrote: post #15

By now Cloudflare is more of an obstacle to the free web than it is helping. A centralized entity, whose scripts from randomly named subdomains you must allow to run on your machine, or be stuck at their obnoxious "checking your browser" page endlessly reloading, because some web dev decided to put their website behind Cloudflare. Cloudflare is one of the most prominent reasons for me to simply close the browser tab…

I don’t know… the so called free web is also a bot paradise, and like it or not cloudflare is actually helping mitigate it to some degree. It comes with a cost but maybe it’s worth it?

Cloudflare has played a major part in making VPNs suck, by providing a service that actively blacklists VPN IPs and selling companies on integrating the VPN blocker into their services.

It's probably true that some VPNs are used for nefarious stuff, but it's also lame that Cloudflare is such an anti-privacy warrior.

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