Immigration policy is just as much to blame: good enough for meta = good
enough for general working residency visa
Meta fires a software engineer two days after he relocated from India to Canada
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Re: Meta fires a software engineer two days after he relocated from India to Canada
#22So he gets 4 months of pay, his signing bonus, and all if his shares vest immediately.
Sounds like a good deal. And plenty of time to find a new position if he wants to stay in Canada.
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#24I mean, if it was just the title that happened, but actually the big layoffs coincided with the person moving from India to Canada, thus something like this was bound to happen. Do we really need to drum up animosity towards Meta that bad? (They already do it without needing to add a click bait twist on top..)
Are you trying to make a distinction without a difference? Nope, hiring for a role you expect to cut at the same time is not the decent or even sane thing to do.
I think people who made decision to hire him and people who made layoffs are different people.
Re: Meta fires a software engineer two days after he relocated from India to Canada
#25My sympathies for the gentleman -- but out of curiosity: for cases like this, what "time duration" would be "not surprising"? Even if he had stayed on for one more month, that would have been as shocking as well. Two months? Three? My suspicion is that there's no time duration within which this wouldn't be an upsetting experience. Perhaps unless we're talking about like a year, which no company would do anyway.
But there are degrees, also in two days this person has probably close to zero social safety network in Canada. No friends, no colleagues, no acquaintances at other companies. Even 2 or 3 months would have allowed them to start having some friends and do some networking.
Re: Meta fires a software engineer two days after he relocated from India to Canada
#26Earlier quoted context omitted.
which if there's a 1 year cliff, means he didn't have a vesting date then....
A (vesting) cliff doesn't mean you have to wait 1 year for the vesting, it means that your vesting significantly reduces after 1 year.
I don't know how you've seen it, but I've seen it mean exactly that. A one-year cliff means that your whole year (usually your first) vests at once, in one day.
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Re: Meta fires a software engineer two days after he relocated from India to Canada
#28I mean, if it was just the title that happened, but actually the big layoffs coincided with the person moving from India to Canada, thus something like this was bound to happen. Do we really need to drum up animosity towards Meta that bad? (They already do it without needing to add a click bait twist on top..)
He uprooted his life, moved across the globe, then got laid off and is likely facing a prospect of having to leave Canada (not familiar with work visa types there). This sucks, and the fact "it was bound to happen" (which is incorrect, it's not a law of nature) does not absolve Meta.
A lot of H1B visa holders has been impacted by the layoffs at Twitter.
Re: Meta fires a software engineer two days after he relocated from India to Canada
#29I mean, if it was just the title that happened, but actually the big layoffs coincided with the person moving from India to Canada, thus something like this was bound to happen. Do we really need to drum up animosity towards Meta that bad? (They already do it without needing to add a click bait twist on top..)
Depends on if 1) Did Meta ask him to move? 2) Did they change their remote work policies such that he does not have any other choice but to move? 3) Was he working in Meta India, and being sent on an on-site opportunity, in which case, some prefer to move with their families.
If answer is yes to any of the above questions, then yeah Meta is at fault. The person deserves atleast a contractual position till he is able to move back to India or find a job in Canada. Alternatively, he can be compensated to account for the complete disruption of his life. People in India liquidate assets to move abroad. This may be an absolute life changing and costly decision for him and his family.
Re: Meta fires a software engineer two days after he relocated from India to Canada
#30Earlier quoted context omitted.
He uprooted his life, moved across the globe, then got laid off and is likely facing a prospect of having to leave Canada (not familiar with work visa types there). This sucks, and the fact "it was bound to happen" (which is incorrect, it's not a law of nature) does not absolve Meta.
Exactly what I was going to say.We need to have empathy every once in a while. 11K people being fired from Meta seems abstract but these are 11K families that have been at least temporarily disrupted.
I have been laid off, or close to being laid off in that I had to leave, something like 3 different positions since the start of the pandemic and unemployed for around 6 months (doing amazing now in a recent role but that is besides the point). Was borderline close to being forced to move back in with my parents. I never got a story written up for me about that. I feel sympathy for many of those folks, but why should this guy, or anyone else at META, get so much press for themselves? These things have happened quietly in the background all the time in the industry in the past and nobody bats an eye until now because "META." It is kind of annoying.