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Luxury beliefs are status symbols

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Re: Luxury beliefs are status symbols

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post #7

I think the author misses the point that often those poorer people who are victimized by criminals are then ignored or even endangered by the police response. Police budgets keep increasing and outcomes including percentage of solved crimes keep declining. A good portion of that money could be much better spent on eradicating poverty, treating drug addictions instead of incarcerating users, keeping people in schools,…

The author is trying to declare this perspective as elitist rather than address it head on.

It's a pretty common political trick to reframe populist views as elitist and vice versa. It allows you to either promote or attack a "dangerous" idea/candidate without having to actually engage with it.

Re: Luxury beliefs are status symbols

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Rob, you seem to be about 30. Maybe slow down and consider that you don't know everything yet. Having servants is purely a status symbol? Just because Veblen said it doesn't make it true. The rich of his era owned palatial estates with hundreds of rooms and acres of topiary. How the hell were they supposed to maintain all this property without servants? A mansion needs a staff, and those staff are servants of the own…

I also love the suggestion that a $100k income is in any way comparable to being some top-hat-wearing aristocrat with a palatial mansion and a butler.

Re: Luxury beliefs are status symbols

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> And what seems to happen is that affluent people often broadcast how they owe their success to luck. But then they tell their own children about the importance of hard work and individual effort.

I don't find any of this stuff is true. If I had a dime for every time some less unsuccessful person say that the affluent are just lucky to have been born into the right environment, or that such and such successful company or person just had a "lucky break", I would be rich.

The rich telling people that their owe their success to luck could just be practiced modesty, because if someone wealthy and successful goes around communicating the idea that it was all gained through individual hard work and effort, without any element of being in the right place at the right time, knowing the right people and other effects, then that would be perceived as arrogance.

You're just not supposed to attribute all your successes to yourself. That's why when stars accept an award, a lot of the acceptance speech is usually about thanking everyone who helped them get there.

Luxury Beliefs aren't status symbols because talk is cheap; anyone can parrot what he or she heard from an affluent person.

Re: Luxury beliefs are status symbols

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> Working class people could not tell you what ["cultural appropriation", "gendered", or "heteronormative"] mean.

What is the working definition of working class here? I think the author is confusing "blue collar" with "working class".

I'm working class; I know what the woke shit means. I mean, I have Internet.

Working class is everything from janitor to manager of accounting department.

Re: Luxury beliefs are status symbols

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The poll options are: 1. Police Departments don't need to be reformed 2. Police departments have a problem with race but the problem can be fixed by reforming the current system 3. Police reform hasn't worked. We need to defund police and reinvent our approach to public safety. I don't like the branding of "defund the police" but I'd still choose 3. Not because I live in an elite gated community and can afford to col…

I hate multiple choice polls whose options aren't exhaustive.

I'm closer to #2... police departments have problems, but the system can be reformed. But I don't think it's particularly a race issue, and wouldn't want to pick an option casting it as such.

Re: Luxury beliefs are status symbols

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post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What do they mean? I’m guessing your answer is something like “reallocate police funds to other services”, but without your own explanation, this comment has little value other than signaling political belief.

It means reallocating funds and responsibilities to social services. Or, firing entire police departments and building a new one from scratch with a different mandate - like the wildly successful Camden NJ experiment.

It does mean that now, after a couple years of fervent back-tracking. That was not the initial implication nor inference.

Re: Luxury beliefs are status symbols

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A reasonable case but far overstated and undernuanced.

It’s true that there are plenty of ultra-wealthy people with Black Lives Matter signs on their yard and post hashtag-defund-the-police. But there are also public defenders from non-privileged backgrounds and social workers who argue the same thing and often more forcefully. Police funding reform isn’t something that was invented by white elites. It’s borrowed from activist communities. I’m sure for some it’s a way to indicate their more aesthetic opposition to the law-and-order authoritarian movements in the US today. But police reform is a broad-based movement even if it’s coming from the most educated segments of privileged and less-privileged people. (Personally, I suspect in 20 years everyone will claim to have been for it.)

We should also note that there are also zillionaires who are actively defunding the welfare state. Would the author agree this is a costly display, to declare you’re wholly self-made and spend real effort kicking away supports that many people need to survive? Or is just liberals who engage in ideological peacock feathers?

Re: Luxury beliefs are status symbols

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post #26
post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It means reallocating funds and responsibilities to social services. Or, firing entire police departments and building a new one from scratch with a different mandate - like the wildly successful Camden NJ experiment.

It does mean that now , after a couple years of fervent back-tracking. That was not the initial implication nor inference.

Do you have any evidence of that?

I've always assumed it was just a snowclone of "Defund the IRS" and various other things that people wanted to show disapproval of.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snowclone

Re: Luxury beliefs are status symbols

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post #21
post #7

I think the author misses the point that often those poorer people who are victimized by criminals are then ignored or even endangered by the police response. Police budgets keep increasing and outcomes including percentage of solved crimes keep declining. A good portion of that money could be much better spent on eradicating poverty, treating drug addictions instead of incarcerating users, keeping people in schools,…

The author is trying to declare this perspective as elitist rather than address it head on. It's a pretty common political trick to reframe populist views as elitist and vice versa. It allows you to either promote or attack a "dangerous" idea/candidate without having to actually engage with it.

I don’t think he was saying anything about the merits of the ideas and views, rather why some people espouse them.

Re: Luxury beliefs are status symbols

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The 'luxury belief' here is that one's opponents all hold their views for reasons that they are either not aware of, or are deceptive about.

I was in Seattle for CHOP -- the "defund the police" crowd was literally a bunch of really hecking poor young people, pushed to the limit by the pandemic and the politics of the day.

That the Right immediately rewrites historical events *that it did not attend* as forms of luxury consumption is because that's the only way they can see the world.

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