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The fateful, final journey of the Edmund Fitzgerald

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Re: The fateful, final journey of the Edmund Fitzgerald

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Obligatory link to the Gordon Lightfoot song about this disaster: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FuzTkGyxkYI

What a song — chills me every time. I can’t think of another historical and/or tragedy song that grips me as much as this one.

Extremely overplayed, "American Pie" by Don McLean is about the plane crash that killed 4 American rock stars all at the same time.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Day_the_Music_Died

Re: The fateful, final journey of the Edmund Fitzgerald

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

What a song — chills me every time. I can’t think of another historical and/or tragedy song that grips me as much as this one.

Extremely overplayed, "American Pie" by Don McLean is about the plane crash that killed 4 American rock stars all at the same time. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Day_the_Music_Died

That song was always more about the narrator of the song, to me.

Re: The fateful, final journey of the Edmund Fitzgerald

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Obligatory link to the Gordon Lightfoot song about this disaster: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FuzTkGyxkYI

What a song — chills me every time. I can’t think of another historical and/or tragedy song that grips me as much as this one.

Hellsongs' cover of "Run to the Hills" (originally by Iron Maiden) is worth a listen. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AguuHDW42OQ

(Since Iron Maiden got another mention for Rime of the Ancient Mariner, I'd bet they have more to offer, but I'm not that knowledgeable about their work.)

Re: The fateful, final journey of the Edmund Fitzgerald

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The most fascinating aspect of the incident to me is that the Edmund Fitzgerald was 728' long and sank in 535 feet of water. One video I saw analyzing the sinking showed that it was possible the ship's bow was forced down hit the bottom with 200' or so still above the surface.

Can you imagine the horror of being on the bridge, thinking that the bow has just submerged into a wave, and only realizing it’s not going to come back up when you feel the ship slam into the lake floor?

For reference, that would be at least a 47° incline, or about 108% grade. You'd probably realize the ship isn't going to come back when you reach 20%-ish grade.

Re: The fateful, final journey of the Edmund Fitzgerald

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The most fascinating aspect of the incident to me is that the Edmund Fitzgerald was 728' long and sank in 535 feet of water. One video I saw analyzing the sinking showed that it was possible the ship's bow was forced down hit the bottom with 200' or so still above the surface.

Can you imagine the horror of being on the bridge, thinking that the bow has just submerged into a wave, and only realizing it’s not going to come back up when you feel the ship slam into the lake floor?

Lakers usually have their bridge at the bow.

Re: The fateful, final journey of the Edmund Fitzgerald

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Obligatory link to the Gordon Lightfoot song about this disaster: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FuzTkGyxkYI

To me, the old cook was the hero of that song.

Yes!

  When suppertime came, the old cook came on deck sayin'
  "Fellas, it's too rough to feed ya"
  At seven PM, a main hatchway caved in, he said
  "Fellas, it's been good to know ya"

Re: The fateful, final journey of the Edmund Fitzgerald

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

To me, the old cook was the hero of that song.

Yes! When suppertime came, the old cook came on deck sayin' "Fellas, it's too rough to feed ya" At seven PM, a main hatchway caved in, he said "Fellas, it's been good to know ya"

That's the lyric Lightfoot changed when sung live, to take into account the more recent hypothesis on how it sank:

    At seven p.m. it grew dark; it was then
Which is nicer to the crew (doesn't imply it was a mistake on their part) but doesn't really quite flow as nicely.

Re: The fateful, final journey of the Edmund Fitzgerald

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

One of my favorite songs. So many haunting lyrics. I've always been fascinated by "Superior, they said, never gives up her dead..." I've read it is in reference to the fact that because the lake is so cold, sunken bodies will not decompose and resurface. Of course, it could just be folklore.

There’s a well known wreck (SS Kamloops) popular among divers that has a body in the engine room. Divers call it “Whitey” because it has saponified, and thus appears similar to a bar of soap.

Kamloopsian here - TIL.

Story of Alice Bettridge[0] is chilling.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SS_Kamloops

Re: The fateful, final journey of the Edmund Fitzgerald

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Great Lakes have claimed so many ships, deadliest being the Lady Elgin with a loss of approximately 300 lives ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PS_Lady_Elgin ). The huge waves that brought down Edmund Fitzgerald are thought to be caused by the mythical Gales of November phenomenon on Lake Superior ( https://www.mprnews.org/story/2022/11/10/lake-superiors-gale... ), which is due to cold Arctic air from north colliding w…

This year fit the pattern quite well. I heard on the radio that there were 20' waves on Superior the other day.
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