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Re: Sequoia has marked its investment in FTX down to $0

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$0. That sounds about right. Wow.. I think Mr. Bankman's wealth was $100 billion in Jan 2022 according to a Fortune estimate. I wonder what would have happened had CZ not made that tweet. Hmm...makes you wonder who profited from all of this. Imagine if binance bought puts on BTC before this announcement.

FTX and Alameda would have gone under regardless.

Re: Sequoia has marked its investment in FTX down to $0

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post #16

I actually talked to Sam for a bit in the "early days" and he always seemed like an OK guy. Approachable and "honest" which makes this all the worse... I kept asking "why start an exchange when you're killing it with Alameda?" and his response seemed to consistently be about wanting to make a better product and legitimize crypto... ugh, don't even know what to think now... if that was all a front. It's really odd to…

> ugh, don't even know what to think now... if that was all a front.

It's very easy to "get high on your own supply" and lose objectivity around what you're doing and how likely it is to succeed. This doesn't require malice either.

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#23
From a linked article, a quote that basically describes the Federal Reserve

>It’s almost as if SBF found a way to hack the financial system, printing billions of dollars out of thin air against which he was able to borrow massive sums from unknown counterparties. Almost as if he discovered a financial perpetual motion machine…

Re: Sequoia has marked its investment in FTX down to $0

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post #16

I actually talked to Sam for a bit in the "early days" and he always seemed like an OK guy. Approachable and "honest" which makes this all the worse... I kept asking "why start an exchange when you're killing it with Alameda?" and his response seemed to consistently be about wanting to make a better product and legitimize crypto... ugh, don't even know what to think now... if that was all a front. It's really odd to…

Alameda messed up in the same way that three arrows did. That’s not necessarily Sam’s fault, because he did not run Alameda at the time. However, it seems like you build them out by providing them with a ton of FTT collateral so he’s pretty much complicit.

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post #16

I actually talked to Sam for a bit in the "early days" and he always seemed like an OK guy. Approachable and "honest" which makes this all the worse... I kept asking "why start an exchange when you're killing it with Alameda?" and his response seemed to consistently be about wanting to make a better product and legitimize crypto... ugh, don't even know what to think now... if that was all a front. It's really odd to…

Most people (all?) are driven by circumstance rather than their "inner" self. He might be a good/honest guy that started this with good and honest intentions; but things went very differently. There is little he can do, and I think there are few people in the earth who can stand to circumstance. (especially when billions and millions of people are involved.)

Re: Sequoia has marked its investment in FTX down to $0

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From a linked article, a quote that basically describes the Federal Reserve >It’s almost as if SBF found a way to hack the financial system, printing billions of dollars out of thin air against which he was able to borrow massive sums from unknown counterparties. Almost as if he discovered a financial perpetual motion machine…

Sure, but if nothing else, you can use federal reserve notes to pay your taxes. FTT can be used for what now?

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This piece will forever be on their site, however: [0]. [0] - https://www.sequoiacap.com/article/sam-bankman-fried-spotlig...

That’s an amazing article. It sounds like the he’s never heard of the kelly criterion, just makes massive bet after massive bet and then blows up. He does have ~1 billion more than me even after this mess, so maybe it all worked out.

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post #16

I actually talked to Sam for a bit in the "early days" and he always seemed like an OK guy. Approachable and "honest" which makes this all the worse... I kept asking "why start an exchange when you're killing it with Alameda?" and his response seemed to consistently be about wanting to make a better product and legitimize crypto... ugh, don't even know what to think now... if that was all a front. It's really odd to…

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Re: Sequoia has marked its investment in FTX down to $0

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post #16

I actually talked to Sam for a bit in the "early days" and he always seemed like an OK guy. Approachable and "honest" which makes this all the worse... I kept asking "why start an exchange when you're killing it with Alameda?" and his response seemed to consistently be about wanting to make a better product and legitimize crypto... ugh, don't even know what to think now... if that was all a front. It's really odd to…

> ugh, don't even know what to think now... if that was all a front. It's very easy to "get high on your own supply" and lose objectivity around what you're doing and how likely it is to succeed. This doesn't require malice either.

From April of this year:

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-04-25/sam-bankm...

I don't know how to reconcile this with the comments people are making. He didn't sound like he was under illusions about what he was doing. And surely other people read/listened to this.

It was pretty much laid out with a ton of foreshadowing.

Near the end:

"And it is sort of like real monetizable stuff in some senses. And you know, at some point if the world never decides that we are wrong about this in like a coordinated way, right? Like you're kind of the guy calling and saying, no, this thing's actually worthless, but in what sense are you right?"

"And if you're like, that's dumb, it has no cashflow flow. I'm gonna short sell it. You lose all your money."

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