To be clear. Disney+, ESPN+ and Hulu when _combined_ have more customers.
It's important to note that Disney pushes hard for buying these 3 together as a package for a reduced price, therefore basically tripling some customer numbers.
Disney says it has more streaming customers than Netflix
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#22Disney has decades of experience with content that the whole family can enjoy. Netflix has a decade of experience with...AWS
With Netflix you get a mixed bag of Stranger Things + stuff that most folks expect to be dropped after 2 seasons.
When Netflix pivoted into content, they needed to get creatives and passionate people in charge rather than the tech-world PMs they ended up putting in charge.
Disney might not be perfect, but for the MCU and Jon Favreau-adjacent Star Wars stuff, theres a distinct respect for story telling and characters that just totally missing from some of the high budget Netflix stuff.
Properties like MillarWorld just have the soul sucked straight out of them in Netflix's hands
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#23Not surprising, Disney (plus ESPN and HULU) is bundled with several cell phone plans in the US. I subscribe because it’s “free”.
And Netflix continues its long slide into irrelevance. I’ve was a subscriber for many years, but cut it last month. Too much low-quality programming and it continually recommends shows I’ve watched previously and refuses to allow Apple to index it’s catalog so it appears in alongside other providers inside Apple TV.
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#24Content is king. Once the big studios started pulling their stuff from Netflix in favour of their own streaming platforms, the writing was on the wall. Netflix doesn’t have the breadth of monetisable IP that the mouse has. The latest season of The Crown is basically scraping the barrel of royal family drama. Stranger Things has a season or two left. If I had Netflix stock I’d sell.
I'm surprised by this because Netflix has Heartstopper & Neil Gaiman's Sandman. They've also canceled a bunch of stuff that could come back really strong, Sense8 comes to mind.
I recall reading that Netflix intentionally capped the production of successful shows to avoid overpaying for actors. Actor contracts apparently have predetermined rates for 3-4 seasons, and then must be renegotiated. For a successful show the actors can have immense leverage (see Seinfeld).
Netflix thought they we being smart by doing this, but they may have simply upped their content risk and simultaneously convinced top talent to work with other streamers.
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#25Disney has so much less content, and I really don't mind it. There's nothing I hate more than logging into Netflix after a month and everything I was vaguely interested in has now completely disappeared and been replaced by even more half-assed looking projects. Also, shout out to Disney for actually making it easy to restart a show from the beginning. I don't understand how Netflix has dropped so much money into chi…
>and been replaced by even more half-assed looking projects the "half-assed" projects are the only thing that has me coming back. Netflix in contrast to a lot of the other services still has a decent amount in particular foreign and original IP. Most recent example, Cyberpunk Edgerunners, that would not be on Disney+. I just don't care about the 50th take on Star Wars. Given the numbers apparently I'm the only one on…
You aren't the only one, but this year has seen both streamers take an axe to a lot of their interesting pieces, particularly for kids: Amphibia, Ghost City, The Owl House, Hilda, Baby Sitter's Club, and Kid Cosmic all off the top of my head.
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#26Given just how important content is to streaming services and Netflix's reputation for canceling good shows, this doesn't seem that surprising to me. Especially since rather than focusing on content, Netflix is instead focusing on limiting password sharing, which was never going to give them good PR.
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#27Disney has so much less content, and I really don't mind it. There's nothing I hate more than logging into Netflix after a month and everything I was vaguely interested in has now completely disappeared and been replaced by even more half-assed looking projects. Also, shout out to Disney for actually making it easy to restart a show from the beginning. I don't understand how Netflix has dropped so much money into chi…
Disney also owns awesome legacy IP; superheros, star wars, pixar and disney movies. It's also a lot cheaper and indeed less bloated. Netflix has zero such legacy content and it's more expensive; soon even harder to use with them locking down sharing!
I don't know how you compared using Disney+ to Netflix and came to the conclusion that it's less bloated. In my experience on a Roku, D+ is SLOW, it takes forever to do anything from loading up, just browsing, thumbnails populating, or actually starting a show.
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#28Disney has so much less content, and I really don't mind it. There's nothing I hate more than logging into Netflix after a month and everything I was vaguely interested in has now completely disappeared and been replaced by even more half-assed looking projects. Also, shout out to Disney for actually making it easy to restart a show from the beginning. I don't understand how Netflix has dropped so much money into chi…
They have less content, but Netflix is seriously full of so much trash content. I've rarely enjoyed a Netflix original movie.
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#29Here's a question I've had and maybe someone from HN can answer it. The (movie) streaming wars have content as a differentiator in the market, but it doesn't seem like Spotify/Apple music is effected. Assuming both the RIAA and MPAA members both don't care about consumer complaints that much, why do record companies not start their own streaming services? I assume it's easier than making a movie streaming service, an…
The streaming services only work if they are "better" than just downloading the content for free. My guess is that music has a much lower barrier, both in terms of availability and in people's tolerance to listen only to parts of a catalogue divided along record company lines, so if only 25% your top 40 (or 90s or whatever) was available on SONY Streaming, you'd just say fuck it and download it.
Somehow, the video landscape has shaken out to have generalist (Netflix,maybe Amazon) and specialty content, not all that different from cable. So people are used to it that way. And come to think of it, radio generally plays music from all record companies, so there is a precedent there too.
With more fragmentation, particularly with Netflix losing it's generalist position and having more self-produced crap, I suspect that downloading movies is going to become viable for more people
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#30Caveat: Disney has three streaming services that they usually sell as a bundle, so if you buy the bundle they count you as three customers.