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FTX Appears to Have Stopped Processing Withdrawals, On-Chain Data Show

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Re: FTX Appears to Have Stopped Processing Withdrawals, On-Chain Data Show

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Even if FTX has stopped withdrawals, it does not necessarily mean they are insolvent. But remember, no smoke without fire.

Like all other financial institutions, they can process only certain amount of withdrawals in a time frame, limited by their banking partners and so on. Currently their are under enormous pressure, as their competitor Binance has decided to dump very large amount of $2B FTT token they received as part of the exit from FTX equity round where they were a seed investor. This will put FTT price under pressure and people correlate this price with the integrity of FTX. Also, FTX associated entities have loans collateralised by FTT tokens, so if the collateral value falls too much the loans are liquidated. Based on the FTX user agreement, this should not have effect on user deposits, but might have negative effects on other FTX associated entities like Alameda the quant trading desk.

The fear is causing everyone to withdraw from FTX and this has then clogged their withdrawal capacity.

Generally, if Binance would not have been hostile, they could have dumped their FTT tokens with less effect on the markets. They chose not to do so and telegraphed their dump very openly. This does not reflect well on the crypto industry as general. We will find out very soon.

Note that this kind of issues do not happen on decentralised exchanges (DEXes) where any reserves are transparent and smart contract controlled.

Re: FTX Appears to Have Stopped Processing Withdrawals, On-Chain Data Show

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The way to see this is (and check if it's still the case) is to click back on https://etherscan.io/tokentxns?a=0x2faf487a4414fe77e2327f0bf... until you see ones labeled "out". That will take you to 6:37am ET. Possible interpretations range from (optimistic) a delay in pulling funds from cold storage due to unusually high levels of withdrawals to (pessimistic) FTX collapsing.

The fun part is that a bank run would still lead to a collapse of their system, so both would lead to the same outcome.

Re: FTX Appears to Have Stopped Processing Withdrawals, On-Chain Data Show

#23

Seriously? This is kind of incredible. SBF has always seemed like an interesting operator in the space, and his proposals for regulation now appear to have gained him a lot of enemies. I wonder how much of this market pressure is organic vs organized. Certainly CZ from Binance seems to have planned a squeeze on them.

> how much of this market pressure is organic vs organized vs ponzi scheme unravelling

No dude, Sam Bankman-Fried is going to totally autist-genius his way out of this one.

Re: FTX Appears to Have Stopped Processing Withdrawals, On-Chain Data Show

#24

Even if FTX has stopped withdrawals, it does not necessarily mean they are insolvent. But remember, no smoke without fire. Like all other financial institutions, they can process only certain amount of withdrawals in a time frame, limited by their banking partners and so on. Currently their are under enormous pressure, as their competitor Binance has decided to dump very large amount of $2B FTT token they received as…

Well it has been 4 hours now, and the media has been reporting it for an hour, everyone on Twitter and Reddit is talking about it.

Yet, no communication from FTX or SBF.

Re: FTX Appears to Have Stopped Processing Withdrawals, On-Chain Data Show

#25

Even if FTX has stopped withdrawals, it does not necessarily mean they are insolvent. But remember, no smoke without fire. Like all other financial institutions, they can process only certain amount of withdrawals in a time frame, limited by their banking partners and so on. Currently their are under enormous pressure, as their competitor Binance has decided to dump very large amount of $2B FTT token they received as…

> Even if FTX has stopped withdrawals, it does not necessarily mean they are insolvent.

Listen to yourself.

Re: FTX Appears to Have Stopped Processing Withdrawals, On-Chain Data Show

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post #11

The way to see this is (and check if it's still the case) is to click back on https://etherscan.io/tokentxns?a=0x2faf487a4414fe77e2327f0bf... until you see ones labeled "out". That will take you to 6:37am ET. Possible interpretations range from (optimistic) a delay in pulling funds from cold storage due to unusually high levels of withdrawals to (pessimistic) FTX collapsing.

FTX collapsing is the optimistic case. I hope they take the rest of the crypto "space" with them.

Re: FTX Appears to Have Stopped Processing Withdrawals, On-Chain Data Show

#27

Wow, that's crazy. FTX was the company that saved a lot of crypto companies that were about to default on their liabilities in the first stages of crypto winter. And now they are the one that are going under. Ironic.

With respect, this isn't "ironic" at all, and I don't mean this as some stupid quibbling about the definition because I mean this for all definitions. Those two facts are quite connected; maybe not completely directly, but they are far from independent events that just happen to be occurring in some unexpected manner. At the very least, it means I interpret the rescue as another level of razzle-dazzle rather than a rescue based on solid fundamentals. This doesn't surprise me too much, your mileage may vary.

Re: FTX Appears to Have Stopped Processing Withdrawals, On-Chain Data Show

#28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> how much of this market pressure is organic vs organized vs ponzi scheme unravelling

No dude, Sam Bankman-Fried is going to totally autist-genius his way out of this one.

Bernie Madoff was also able to totally autist-genius his way out of trouble too.

Re: FTX Appears to Have Stopped Processing Withdrawals, On-Chain Data Show

#29

Wow, that's crazy. FTX was the company that saved a lot of crypto companies that were about to default on their liabilities in the first stages of crypto winter. And now they are the one that are going under. Ironic.

I took all my money, put it into a metal bin, poured petrol on it and set it alight.

Now all I have is a metal bin, how Ironic

Re: FTX Appears to Have Stopped Processing Withdrawals, On-Chain Data Show

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post #26
post #11

The way to see this is (and check if it's still the case) is to click back on https://etherscan.io/tokentxns?a=0x2faf487a4414fe77e2327f0bf... until you see ones labeled "out". That will take you to 6:37am ET. Possible interpretations range from (optimistic) a delay in pulling funds from cold storage due to unusually high levels of withdrawals to (pessimistic) FTX collapsing.

FTX collapsing is the optimistic case. I hope they take the rest of the crypto "space" with them.

I'm not pro-crypto in general, but ftxfoundation.org funds work I think is really important and would be sad to see collapse.
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