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The incidence of myocarditis and pericarditis in unvaccinated Covid patients

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Re: The incidence of myocarditis and pericarditis in unvaccinated Covid patients

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The title of the post needs to reflect the title in the article, except when it is blatant clickbait, and to allow for the HN title length limits. There is no question mark in the article's title.

Dang disagrees, at least when it suits him. He has publicly stated that he adds ? to titles whenever he feels it is justified.

Re: The incidence of myocarditis and pericarditis in unvaccinated Covid patients

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I got OG Covid very early in 2020. I had something like a heart attack about six months later. It has not reoccurred. I suspect I had something kind of like a stroke a bit ago. The event was accompanied with very terrifying and specific neurological event. A loud noise that was only inside my head and unreal "sounding" that worked like a corkscrew from the right side of my head to the front while my vision dimmed. I…

I'm sorry. I got Omicron in January '22 despite being double vaxx'd, and I felt totally fine until 3-4 mo. later when I started to get recurrent dizzy spells, major fatigue, and bouts of anxiety, which are all very unusual for me. Checkup / bloodwork showed nothing. I am 41 y.o. who exercise regularly, does not smoke, rarely drinks, etc. So far I can still function and maintain a job, but it makes me wonder what's go…

Get an NAD+ booster like Niagen or liposomal NMN; Covid (even mild) seems to deplete a month worth of NAD+ reserves in a few days. You might want to combine it with megadoses of B1 that improve enzymatic affinity after major viral infections. NAC might be helpful as well.

Re: The incidence of myocarditis and pericarditis in unvaccinated Covid patients

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I'm sorry. I got Omicron in January '22 despite being double vaxx'd, and I felt totally fine until 3-4 mo. later when I started to get recurrent dizzy spells, major fatigue, and bouts of anxiety, which are all very unusual for me. Checkup / bloodwork showed nothing. I am 41 y.o. who exercise regularly, does not smoke, rarely drinks, etc. So far I can still function and maintain a job, but it makes me wonder what's go…

I had an 8 week dizzy spell in fall of 2020. Never had anything like it before, didn’t have any other symptoms. Went to ENT and ears were completely fine. I have no idea if it was anxiety or Covid, but the dizziness was disorienting, at the worst I couldn’t walk , it felt like I was on a boat. During this time I had anxiety attacks almost non stop-triggered by the vertigo. As soon as I started to notice the vertigo I…

NAD+ depletion might lead to problems with cerebellum which might cause dizziness unrelated to ENT.

Re: The incidence of myocarditis and pericarditis in unvaccinated Covid patients

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I got OG Covid very early in 2020. I had something like a heart attack about six months later. It has not reoccurred. I suspect I had something kind of like a stroke a bit ago. The event was accompanied with very terrifying and specific neurological event. A loud noise that was only inside my head and unreal "sounding" that worked like a corkscrew from the right side of my head to the front while my vision dimmed. I…

> I don't exercise a ton, but do some exercise, especially when the dinner plate flairs up.

In general, regular exercise helps strengthen the heart and reduce risks of CVD. If you're generally only exercising when you feel chest pressure and you do have CVD, your heart muscles aren't as strong and strenuous exercise can lead to problems. Going for a walk everyday would be better than exerting yourself irregularly, as the regular exercise will lower your risk of having problems when you do exercise.

Re: The incidence of myocarditis and pericarditis in unvaccinated Covid patients

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm sorry. I got Omicron in January '22 despite being double vaxx'd, and I felt totally fine until 3-4 mo. later when I started to get recurrent dizzy spells, major fatigue, and bouts of anxiety, which are all very unusual for me. Checkup / bloodwork showed nothing. I am 41 y.o. who exercise regularly, does not smoke, rarely drinks, etc. So far I can still function and maintain a job, but it makes me wonder what's go…

I had a vertigo issue crop up recently and was able to get it diagnosed (working in military aviation they take this stuff pretty seriously); I don't know that it will help but it's one avenue to look down: One of my inner ear canal output signals dropped by about 75%. There is a diagnostic test they can do; more basic tests showed nothing but this more sensitive one showed it clear as day. No-one can tall me WHY the…

Very interesting. My homunculus is very ears forward. A lot of my work and fun revolves around my relationship with sound. I did a hearing test last year. It was fine. I have not directly noticed any issues with my hearing, but I recognize that the types of things I might be experiencing might not be so much perceived as hearing but more as orientation, balance, or even be queues to memory that could be altered.

If you had the information available, I'd be very interested to know the names of the diagnostic tests you took. Analysis of how I'm hearing is something I'm uniquely able to analyze over time and compare to medically conducted tests. While I think I know how the second test might have worked, I don't know what I'd call such a test to look for it.

I think analysis of hearing on newly infected to post care of people with COVID and Long COVID could provide useful hints that most other methods might not be able to detect.

Re: The incidence of myocarditis and pericarditis in unvaccinated Covid patients

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Covid sometimes infects heart tissue and that infection can linger long after you’re asymptomatic. It is not at all surprising that a vaccination after such an infection can cause cardiac symptoms as your immune system is tuned up and starts attacking the infection in your heart. This is A) rather uncommon and B) hard to verify scientifically. Not to mention that this not happening is a morality issue for a lot of folks because vaccine good, suggestions of side effects bad.

Re: The incidence of myocarditis and pericarditis in unvaccinated Covid patients

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I had a vertigo issue crop up recently and was able to get it diagnosed (working in military aviation they take this stuff pretty seriously); I don't know that it will help but it's one avenue to look down: One of my inner ear canal output signals dropped by about 75%. There is a diagnostic test they can do; more basic tests showed nothing but this more sensitive one showed it clear as day. No-one can tall me WHY the…

Very interesting. My homunculus is very ears forward. A lot of my work and fun revolves around my relationship with sound. I did a hearing test last year. It was fine. I have not directly noticed any issues with my hearing, but I recognize that the types of things I might be experiencing might not be so much perceived as hearing but more as orientation, balance, or even be queues to memory that could be altered. If y…

The actual name of the test I had is Videonystagmography.

It identified not just the issue but the actual specific structure that was giving me issues.

This has no impact on hearing, so wouldn't be caught by those tests.

Re: The incidence of myocarditis and pericarditis in unvaccinated Covid patients

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I got OG Covid very early in 2020. I had something like a heart attack about six months later. It has not reoccurred. I suspect I had something kind of like a stroke a bit ago. The event was accompanied with very terrifying and specific neurological event. A loud noise that was only inside my head and unreal "sounding" that worked like a corkscrew from the right side of my head to the front while my vision dimmed. I…

I'm sorry. I got Omicron in January '22 despite being double vaxx'd, and I felt totally fine until 3-4 mo. later when I started to get recurrent dizzy spells, major fatigue, and bouts of anxiety, which are all very unusual for me. Checkup / bloodwork showed nothing. I am 41 y.o. who exercise regularly, does not smoke, rarely drinks, etc. So far I can still function and maintain a job, but it makes me wonder what's go…

Viruses can persist in tissues after infection even if they aren't circulating throughout the body. One weird example of this is when Ebola was going around. Some patients who survived it had antibodies that fought the infection to the point where it was undetectable, but the virus had retreated to the patients' eyes[1], where it continued to replicate in cells and cause eye disease[2].

Same thing can happen with EBV, where it is responsible for some flare up of symptoms post-infection, and chicken pox becoming symptomatic years after infection as shingles.

I wouldn't be surprised if long COVID symptoms are caused by latent COVID infections.

[1] https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2017/07/170717091954.h...

[2] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5988239/

Re: The incidence of myocarditis and pericarditis in unvaccinated Covid patients

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When reading this sentence: > We did not observe an increased incidence of neither pericarditis nor myocarditis in adult patients recovering from COVID-19 infection. you should be careful not to interpret this as evidence of absence. The previous sentence gives confidence intervals: > Post COVID-19 infection was not associated with either myocarditis (aHR 1.08; 95% CI 0.45 to 2.56) or pericarditis (aHR 0.53; 95% CI 0…

The confidence interval is a so-called random variable, which means, given it’s not significant, you actually can’t really interpret it

Descriptively, there is a trend, yes.

But it can not be interpreted in statistical (inferential) terms, I think.

Re: The incidence of myocarditis and pericarditis in unvaccinated Covid patients

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When reading this sentence: > We did not observe an increased incidence of neither pericarditis nor myocarditis in adult patients recovering from COVID-19 infection. you should be careful not to interpret this as evidence of absence. The previous sentence gives confidence intervals: > Post COVID-19 infection was not associated with either myocarditis (aHR 1.08; 95% CI 0.45 to 2.56) or pericarditis (aHR 0.53; 95% CI 0…

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