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Re: Delaware judge discovers hidden entity recruiting people to be patent trolls

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Post by bombolo »

commitpizza wrote: post #11
bell-cot wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Software patents, "better paperclips", and a lot of other "lawyers get rich, bureaucracies get bigger, little people get screwed patents? - YES. (Some sort of IP protection or reward system is still needed for real inventions - where it takes serious money, expertise, time, etc. to achieve something major.) But maybe a better moral would be that shell corporations (& lawyers playing shell games with them) should be o…

But real inventions can occur in software too? Inventions that takes serious money, expertise and so on. Some examples: - Rust memory management - New models in machine learning that enables amazing results - Protocols

Sure they can happen, but in general they require a much lower investment to be done, and are easy to reinvent.

Once I had an idea while sitting on the toilet, about how to use past log data to pre-emptively scale up, when the peak hour is about to come.

I had the idea just randomly sitting on the toilet for a few minutes… it was already patented.

Re: Delaware judge discovers hidden entity recruiting people to be patent trolls

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Post by ClumsyPilot »

bell-cot wrote: post #10
commitpizza wrote: post #2

Maybe patents is a bad idea and should be removed.

Software patents, "better paperclips", and a lot of other "lawyers get rich, bureaucracies get bigger, little people get screwed patents? - YES. (Some sort of IP protection or reward system is still needed for real inventions - where it takes serious money, expertise, time, etc. to achieve something major.) But maybe a better moral would be that shell corporations (& lawyers playing shell games with them) should be o…

> But maybe a better moral would be that shell corporations (& lawyers playing shell games with them) should be outlawed.

Shell companies have done more damage to the world than most tyrants ever could - enabling tax evasion, escaping responsibility for substandard construction (you close the company after completing contruction of a house) or for decommissioning toxic assets like exhausted mines or oil rigs. They are uaed to obscure land ownership.

Re: Delaware judge discovers hidden entity recruiting people to be patent trolls

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Post by oneoff786 »

commitpizza wrote: post #11
bell-cot wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Software patents, "better paperclips", and a lot of other "lawyers get rich, bureaucracies get bigger, little people get screwed patents? - YES. (Some sort of IP protection or reward system is still needed for real inventions - where it takes serious money, expertise, time, etc. to achieve something major.) But maybe a better moral would be that shell corporations (& lawyers playing shell games with them) should be o…

But real inventions can occur in software too? Inventions that takes serious money, expertise and so on. Some examples: - Rust memory management - New models in machine learning that enables amazing results - Protocols

Sounds to me like all of that would be better off public or as a trade secret.

Re: Delaware judge discovers hidden entity recruiting people to be patent trolls

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Post by webartisan »

Andrew_Russell wrote: post #17

Sorry all. Apparently I need to put Cloudflare back on the server. Here is the achive.org version: https://web.archive.org/web/20221107120623/https://ipde.com/... Edit: I discovered the Render.com autoscaler setting. Hopefully it's back now.

What made you remove it?

Re: Delaware judge discovers hidden entity recruiting people to be patent trolls

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Post by ksidudwbw »

commitpizza wrote: post #2

Maybe patents is a bad idea and should be removed.

Patents should be coupled to the product. The patent is hidden and considered in draft mode until a working product matching the patent completely is created and submitted to the patent office to check if it matches the patent.

If you are working as an inventor it's your own responsibility to market and sell your ideas and create appropriate contracts when selling your inventions to someone.

A patent has to go through several layers and areas of concern before finally being approved. The entire approval process must be documented and publically available.

Re: Delaware judge discovers hidden entity recruiting people to be patent trolls

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Post by asah »

bombolo wrote: post #21
commitpizza wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But real inventions can occur in software too? Inventions that takes serious money, expertise and so on. Some examples: - Rust memory management - New models in machine learning that enables amazing results - Protocols

Sure they can happen, but in general they require a much lower investment to be done, and are easy to reinvent. Once I had an idea while sitting on the toilet, about how to use past log data to pre-emptively scale up, when the peak hour is about to come. I had the idea just randomly sitting on the toilet for a few minutes… it was already patented.

This cuts both ways: it's also easy to "surround" software patents with new innovations that are required to be competitive in the marketplace. Then both parties cross-license and you're good. Yes the lawyers get paid but the cost is pretty low compared with software engineers, and the societal benefit is that these innovative move into the public domain.

Re: Delaware judge discovers hidden entity recruiting people to be patent trolls

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Post by commitpizza »

bombolo wrote: post #21
commitpizza wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But real inventions can occur in software too? Inventions that takes serious money, expertise and so on. Some examples: - Rust memory management - New models in machine learning that enables amazing results - Protocols

Sure they can happen, but in general they require a much lower investment to be done, and are easy to reinvent. Once I had an idea while sitting on the toilet, about how to use past log data to pre-emptively scale up, when the peak hour is about to come. I had the idea just randomly sitting on the toilet for a few minutes… it was already patented.

I don't understand your point, do you mean that this cannot happen in other fields?

I imagine that this is the case for most stuff in the world. Ideas are not usually unique but it's the great execution of the idea that present the real challange.

Re: Delaware judge discovers hidden entity recruiting people to be patent trolls

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Post by Andrew_Russell »

webartisan wrote: post #24
Andrew_Russell wrote: post #17

Sorry all. Apparently I need to put Cloudflare back on the server. Here is the achive.org version: https://web.archive.org/web/20221107120623/https://ipde.com/... Edit: I discovered the Render.com autoscaler setting. Hopefully it's back now.

What made you remove it?

We have readers at the Delaware courthouse and, incredibly, the courthouse network setup blocks the site for Chrome users if I use Cloudflare. I tried for weeks to find a solution other than removing Cloudflare but nothing seemed to work, and I really want people from the courthouse to be able to read the blog!

Re: Delaware judge discovers hidden entity recruiting people to be patent trolls

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Post by christophilus »

Andrew_Russell wrote: post #17

Sorry all. Apparently I need to put Cloudflare back on the server. Here is the achive.org version: https://web.archive.org/web/20221107120623/https://ipde.com/... Edit: I discovered the Render.com autoscaler setting. Hopefully it's back now.

Well, unrelated to the topic, but I'd be curious how many request / sec you were getting, and how many nodes Render autoscaled up to. I'm running a client's site on a single Render node right now and have been curious how it'd stand up to traffic spikes.

Re: Delaware judge discovers hidden entity recruiting people to be patent trolls

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Post by jeltz »

commitpizza wrote: post #8
bheadmaster wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Software patents, at the very least. https://endsoftwarepatents.org/

I don't really see the difference, why just software?

For me the reason is that I cannot say I understand other industries well enough. But I understand software well enough to say that parents there are harmful. Many of them are too generic and trivial and hinders innovation.
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