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Re: ZLibrary domains have been seized by the United States Postal Inspection Service

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Post by night-rider » Fri, Nov 04, 2022, 2:48 AM UTC

idontwantthis wrote: post #7

Purchased ebooks are like ebooks except you can only read them in Adobe's shitty app, you can't share them with your kids, and you are guaranteed to lose access to them in 10 years or tomorrow. I want to purchase ebooks, but I want to own what I purchase!

> I want to purchase ebooks, but I want to own what I purchase!

Without a DRM mechanism it can be easily shared on warez sites. They really don't want books easily disseminated DRM free on warez sites. Alongside this they can track what pages you read and even know how 'fast' you are at reading. Welcome to 1984.

Re: ZLibrary domains have been seized by the United States Postal Inspection Service

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Post by jrm4 » Fri, Nov 04, 2022, 2:49 AM UTC

As a lawyer, I can't recommend it, but I absolutely cannot discern any moral difference whatsoever between reading a library book for free and purchasing it later if I like it, and doing the same first thing by downloading the ebook from somewhere "unapproved." It's all very silly.

Re: ZLibrary domains have been seized by the United States Postal Inspection Service

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Post by orbital-decay » Fri, Nov 04, 2022, 2:49 AM UTC

thrdbndndn wrote: post #18

idontwantthis wrote: post #7

Purchased ebooks are like ebooks except you can only read them in Adobe's shitty app, you can't share them with your kids, and you are guaranteed to lose access to them in 10 years or tomorrow. I want to purchase ebooks, but I want to own what I purchase!

Why is it guaranteed? I have been buying ebooks for more than 10 years and they still work.

Because someday either that DRM will be obsolete or Adobe itself will die. The probability of that is 1, so it's guaranteed.

Re: ZLibrary domains have been seized by the United States Postal Inspection Service

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Post by barbazoo » Fri, Nov 04, 2022, 2:51 AM UTC

idontwantthis wrote: post #7

Purchased ebooks are like ebooks except you can only read them in Adobe's shitty app, you can't share them with your kids, and you are guaranteed to lose access to them in 10 years or tomorrow. I want to purchase ebooks, but I want to own what I purchase!

I'd say at least for someone tech savvy it's fairly easy these days to remove DRM. It's the first thing I do whether I buy them from Kobo or Amazon.

Re: ZLibrary domains have been seized by the United States Postal Inspection Service

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Post by bytm3 » Fri, Nov 04, 2022, 2:51 AM UTC

The U.S. Postal Inspection Service supports and protects the U.S. Postal Service and its customers by enforcing the laws that defend the nation’s mail system from illegal or dangerous use.

What do they have to do with ebooks???

Re: ZLibrary domains have been seized by the United States Postal Inspection Service

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Post by bytm3 » Fri, Nov 04, 2022, 2:52 AM UTC

The U.S. Postal Inspection Service supports and protects the U.S. Postal Service and its customers by enforcing the laws that defend the nation’s mail system from illegal or dangerous use.

What do they have to do with ebooks??

Re: ZLibrary domains have been seized by the United States Postal Inspection Service

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Post by drpixie » Fri, Nov 04, 2022, 2:52 AM UTC

zlib might be infringing, and obviously they CAN do it, but: Why the USPS? (They presumably have no direct rights over the material.) And presumably the USPS has no actual rights in Poland or Hong Kong. :(

Re: ZLibrary domains have been seized by the United States Postal Inspection Service

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Post by ajsnigrutin » Fri, Nov 04, 2022, 2:52 AM UTC

CameronNemo wrote: post #8

KMnO4 wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Good question, I was wondering this too. From Wikipedia, I found: > .cc is the Internet country code top-level domain (ccTLD) for the Cocos (Keeling) Islands, an Australian territory. It is administered by a United States company, VeriSign, through a subsidiary company, eNIC, which promotes it for international registration as "the next .com".

https://www.wired.com/2012/03/feds-seize-foreign-sites/

So they need a ".ru" domain, or some us-unfriendly country then?

Re: ZLibrary domains have been seized by the United States Postal Inspection Service

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Post by night-rider » Fri, Nov 04, 2022, 2:53 AM UTC

louky wrote: post #9

cft wrote: post #6

DNS failure on https://z-lib.org https://booksc.org

Oh wow. that's awful. Anyone have the actual IPs? that's what matters if the servers and IP addresses aren't seized.

> Anyone have the actual IPs?

The site can't be reached with a bare IP

    z-lib.org 66.212.148.115
    www.z-lib.org 66.212.148.115

Their DNS resolver indicates it was seized:

    ns1.seizedservers.com hostmaster@seizedservers.com

Re: ZLibrary domains have been seized by the United States Postal Inspection Service

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Post by judge2020 » Fri, Nov 04, 2022, 2:54 AM UTC

night-rider wrote: post #21

idontwantthis wrote: post #7

Purchased ebooks are like ebooks except you can only read them in Adobe's shitty app, you can't share them with your kids, and you are guaranteed to lose access to them in 10 years or tomorrow. I want to purchase ebooks, but I want to own what I purchase!

> I want to purchase ebooks, but I want to own what I purchase! Without a DRM mechanism it can be easily shared on warez sites. They really don't want books easily disseminated DRM free on warez sites. Alongside this they can track what pages you read and even know how 'fast' you are at reading. Welcome to 1984.

> Alongside this they can track what pages you read and even know how 'fast' you are at reading.

Does anyone do this? I don't see how it's relevant beyond "wow! you reading speed increased 5% this month" in emails from the Kindle service. Maybe they target ads for "read better and faster in 90 days" if you're in the 10th percentile on reading speed?