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Re: Odroid-H3

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Post by bravetraveler »

pizza234 wrote: post #15
bravetraveler wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I own one also, while I do recommend them... I would also recommend some caution if planning to use Linux I'm not sure if this is a common/repeat thing, but for mine I need to maintain a build of the Realtek kernel modules out of tree If I try to use the discovered/automatic/inline driver... it'll drop out if I try to saturate the link. It's only when I blacklist this module and compile/use the one from Realtek that…

Based on the UK reseller, Ubuntu 20.04 supports the ethernet chipset out of the box, while 18.04 doesn't. I run on an unmodified 18.04 though (kernel v5.4), so I think that the support has been also added in a more recent 18.04 LTS patch version.

Interesting! I don't so much have an issue with support, but stability.

I'd be curious to know if you're connected at 1 or 2.5G, and if 2.5, how it does if held at that level for about a minute

An iperf3 test or two is usually enough to make it drop until I reboot

Where with the compiled module it's rock solid

Re: Odroid-H3

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Post by sliken »

Nice unit, I tried to buy similar as a home router using the Odroid $47 4 x 2.5G daughter board. Sadly the chip shortage killed the H2 plus off.

However there's now a zillion celeron+6x2.5G units out there cheap, see https://www.servethehome.com/category/networking/ for variants with N6005, i7-1165G7, N5095, and similar with 4 or 6 2.5G ports.

If you want an ARM variant, this one has 1G + 2x2.5G:

https://liliputing.com/nanopi-r6s-is-a-single-board-pc-with-...

Re: Odroid-H3

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Post by olvy0 »

There's also the CompuLab products, for example the fitlet 2.

https://fit-iot.com/web/products/fitlet2/

https://fit-iot.com/web/products/fitlet2/fitlet2-specificati...

Almost 8 years ago I bought their older model, Intense PC, to use it as our living-room "multimedia" machine even since. It's running Linux (currently latest Mint), without any problems all these years, including zero driver problems (a rarity among other Linux systems I've used). And of course no noisy fans since it has none, its passive cooling is really good.

https://www.fit-pc.com/web/products/intense-pc/

Re: Odroid-H3

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Post by tym0 »

ThrowawayR2 wrote: post #2

Nice to see a successor to the H2/H2+ finally. > Power consumption: IDLE : ≃1.9W Better idle power than a Raspberry Pi 4 plus it has functioning suspend modes.

If this can replace the laptop I am running as plex server and with the current price of electricity of the UK, it could pay itself pack in less than five months...

Re: Odroid-H3

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Post by capableweb »

katmannthree wrote: post #12
capableweb wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do those come with two ethernet ports, two DDR4 slots (up to 64GB), eMMC, M.2 and two SATA ports? For me, this almost looks like an instant buy.

Generally not all of those. They do come with a case, active cooling, ~~far better graphics performance, and fewer software headaches due to being amd64 instead of aarch64 though~~ nevermind, forgot that this is jasper lake too.

Adding the H3+, power supply, fan and case to the cart reveals a total of ~180 USD, that's a pretty good price for what you get. I agree that the graphics might not be the best in class, but it's also not the worst. Overall I feel like it's a pretty neat price.

Re: Odroid-H3

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Post by lob_it »

Anybody still waiting on the intel 820 linux drivers?

The odroid-h3 looks like a nice kit, but lack of expandability and obsolete onboard components (wifi, video, sound, etc) were always better served with expansion options for all of the components and peripherals, especially for those raised with desktop computing.

The prices of some sbc's are reasonable, but the stink about soldered CPU's from a decade or so ago still holds true.

I remember getting a gigabyte mobo with the 479 cpu in the early 2000's and rocked that kit for a decade as an HTPC, router and general use PC. Just popped in a quad nic, video card or used the default onboard components for basic browsing/word processing.

Some PCIe slots for expansion takes the mitx (and smaller) designs much further. Case form factors have seen their own evolution, but internal PCIe to external PCIe enclosure would rock in 2022. Especially at some of the pricepoints.

Its just easier to install linux supported components/hardware for the best experience.

Re: Odroid-H3

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Post by jcrawfordor »

throwaway81523 wrote: post #9

4932 passmark according to this: https://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu_lookup.php?id=4565 That is pretty respectable. But, this is a $165 board, so it seems kind of niche compared to a small PC motherboard at around half the price, unless I'm way out of date.

I actually had an ODroid H2 that failed maybe 6 months ago (not by any fault of its own really, it was installed in a "difficult" environment and probably got much hotter than was reasonable). I went shopping around for a newer replacement and was surprised to find that the market of very small, e.g. nano-ITX embedded motherboards has basically dried up and at that point it was very difficult to find something that was even comparable with the H2 at the same price point. Much of what I was seeing were $150 boards with very old Celeron chips that underperformed the H2 (due to being older designs mostly, but still being manufactured). I think ARM adoption is large enough that there's not much of a market for x86 embedded boards that isn't heavy equipment that's very price insensitive, and even then the fact that most of the options are built around 9 year old processors suggests that this market might be mostly legacy products.

You could probably save a bit of money, but I would guess not more than $40 or so, by buying a motherboard and socketed processor separately, a more conventional PC setup. But these usually aren't readily amenable to completely passive cooling which is an important criteria for me (and off the shelf passive coolers for even modest TDPs are expensive on their own), and it's also hard (maybe impossible?) to find the dual network interfaces in a setup that would come in below $165.

In my case I ended up going with a NUC and external RAID controller/drive enclosure but it was an appreciably more costly setup-admittedly for a much higher end processor, but I think I ended up at around $500 before buying drives for the external enclosure which of course ended up as the largest cost.

The application is a video surveillance NVR, I wanted x86 as the commercial software is Windows-based and not built for ARM. 2.5GbE network interfaces were not important (the bottleneck would be the archival spinning drives well before that), but dual network interfaces were as the existing setup was based on a dedicated surveillance switch running off the second interface of the NVR and I like that this is a simple setup with fewer configuration points than a VLAN hosted on the core switch (there's a reason most commercial appliance NVRs are set up this same way).

Re: Odroid-H3

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Post by hedora »

throwaway81523 wrote: post #9

4932 passmark according to this: https://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu_lookup.php?id=4565 That is pretty respectable. But, this is a $165 board, so it seems kind of niche compared to a small PC motherboard at around half the price, unless I'm way out of date.

Wow, this is 80% as fast as my decade-old gaming PC. Now, if only it had a PCIe slot that I could plug a discrete GPU into, I could cut our electricity bill by a few percent.

Edit: A sibling comment suggests looking at bee-link. It's definitely slower than my gaming PC, but it is getting close with integrated graphics, and is in a comparable price bracket to a hypothetical O-Droid-H3 with a PCIe slot:

Bee-link GTR6 6900HX: $539. incl. board + cpu + integrated GPU + case

O-Droid-H3: $465 ($165 + $300 Radeon RX 6600xt). incl. board + cpu + incompatible PCIe video card

https://www.bee-link.com/catalog/product/index?id=383

It'd be within a factor of two of the old upgraded desktop and the H3 + discrete GPU, but in a much slicker package:

https://howmanyfps.com/en-de/graphics-cards/comparisons/amd-...

Re: Odroid-H3

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Post by Semaphor »

pizza234 wrote: post #18
throwaway81523 wrote: post #9

4932 passmark according to this: https://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu_lookup.php?id=4565 That is pretty respectable. But, this is a $165 board, so it seems kind of niche compared to a small PC motherboard at around half the price, unless I'm way out of date.

In addition to the sibling comment, form factor is an advantage, for those looking for a small machine (Mini ITX != Nano ITX; the H* are actually even smaller than Nano-ITX). Hardkernel produces several very interesting boxes for H2 (I suppose also for the H3); I think there were 5 or 6 at the time, for different use cases. There was a very small one that fitted two 2.5" SSDs. They're all ugly, low quality, and tedio…

The cases offer great options, i just wish they also had a pricier case that doesn't look like crap.

Re: Odroid-H3

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Post by 0cf8612b2e1e »

chromatin wrote: post #17

This looks like a great chance to ask: Besides the ODROID-Hn series, what other single-board computers have dual ethernet? Very few, AFAICT. For router use-case, the alternatives suggested (buy an older NUC, for instance) don't work.

Why wouldn’t a NUC work? I have a fanless Zoltac with dual nics. I use it as a media PC , but presumably it would work fine as a router. A cursory glance at Zoltac’s page shows they still produce a variety of new configurations.
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