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EU approves effective ban on new combustion engine cars from 2035

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Re: EU approves effective ban on new combustion engine cars from 2035

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Post by TheLoafOfBread »

toomuchtodo wrote: post #15
petre wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They'll push that target into the future once the power networks won't handle the load and the industry won't be able to obtain enough lithium and copper and sell the cars at a competitive price. The industy will reconvert the internal combustion engine to run on hydrogen and/or manufacture EVs with a small battery and a hydrogen power cell range extender. Renault already annonced fuel cell powered Kangoo and Master…

If you would like to make a LongBet [1], I'm willing to take the other side and wager $1000 (to a charity of the winner's choice) that EVs move full speed ahead, hydrogen dies except possibly for trucks and niche use cases, and that range extenders are never deployed in material quantities. The Tesla Model Y is currently the best selling vehicle in Europe, and fully electric cars made up 16 percent of total registrat…

Rich poseurs fueled by subsidies. You could then make Lamborghini Urus best selling car in EU if you would set the subsidies right. In the end you need to target peoples cars (VW Jetta 20k EUR, VW Polo 16k EUR) and we are not there at all with BEVs.

Re: EU approves effective ban on new combustion engine cars from 2035

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Post by dagmx »

ryukafalz wrote: post #16
dagmx wrote: post #11

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My hope is that the shift to EV causes side effects like increased number of communal hubs and better public transit so people don’t have to use cars as much anyway

Those changes won't just happen as a result of EV adoption, but they can if we push for them. Call your (especially local) elected officials.

Yes they won’t be just because of it, but I think it’ll be a very influential factor

Re: EU approves effective ban on new combustion engine cars from 2035

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Post by Sohcahtoa82 »

toomuchtodo wrote: post #15
petre wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They'll push that target into the future once the power networks won't handle the load and the industry won't be able to obtain enough lithium and copper and sell the cars at a competitive price. The industy will reconvert the internal combustion engine to run on hydrogen and/or manufacture EVs with a small battery and a hydrogen power cell range extender. Renault already annonced fuel cell powered Kangoo and Master…

If you would like to make a LongBet [1], I'm willing to take the other side and wager $1000 (to a charity of the winner's choice) that EVs move full speed ahead, hydrogen dies except possibly for trucks and niche use cases, and that range extenders are never deployed in material quantities. The Tesla Model Y is currently the best selling vehicle in Europe, and fully electric cars made up 16 percent of total registrat…

> Tangentially, hydrogen is just an expensive, low density battery. Toyota is learning this the hard way [4] [5].

That's not even hydrogen's worst problem.

Hydrogen's worst problem is that it would need a distribution network set up. EV charging works because the electrical grid already existed, chargers just need to be plugged into it.

Meanwhile, for hydrogen, you would need to transport liquid hydrogen all over the place constantly. It's a whole new set of logistics.

To put it bluntly, Toyota fucked up and have been very slow to admit their mistake.

Re: EU approves effective ban on new combustion engine cars from 2035

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Post by 988747 »

TheLoafOfBread wrote: post #14
sharedptr wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If your city and place of living has a good public transport system that’s feasible. The reality in countries like Spain is that once you live somewhere outside of the center the public transportation essentially sucks. That said this will only speed up electric vehicles but with these prices I don’t see how many people are gonna afford them.

EU is only creating a golden decade for far right. Just watch.

So everyone who disagrees with current EU policies is far right? For me the divide is more "far left" vs normal :)

Re: EU approves effective ban on new combustion engine cars from 2035

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Post by Nasrudith »

TheLoafOfBread wrote: post #14
sharedptr wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If your city and place of living has a good public transport system that’s feasible. The reality in countries like Spain is that once you live somewhere outside of the center the public transportation essentially sucks. That said this will only speed up electric vehicles but with these prices I don’t see how many people are gonna afford them.

EU is only creating a golden decade for far right. Just watch.

That is all that the far right have, unsubtle threats of violence to try to get people to obey by fear.

Re: EU approves effective ban on new combustion engine cars from 2035

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Post by vetinari »

Sohcahtoa82 wrote: post #23
toomuchtodo wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you would like to make a LongBet [1], I'm willing to take the other side and wager $1000 (to a charity of the winner's choice) that EVs move full speed ahead, hydrogen dies except possibly for trucks and niche use cases, and that range extenders are never deployed in material quantities. The Tesla Model Y is currently the best selling vehicle in Europe, and fully electric cars made up 16 percent of total registrat…

> Tangentially, hydrogen is just an expensive, low density battery. Toyota is learning this the hard way [4] [5]. That's not even hydrogen's worst problem. Hydrogen's worst problem is that it would need a distribution network set up. EV charging works because the electrical grid already existed, chargers just need to be plugged into it. Meanwhile, for hydrogen, you would need to transport liquid hydrogen all over the…

> EV charging works because the electrical grid already existed, chargers just need to be plugged into it.

Electric grid may exist, but it's capacity is not enough to handle the additional load of the car charging. Sure, it can take car here or there, but replacement for current ICEs? No way.

Re: EU approves effective ban on new combustion engine cars from 2035

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Post by TheLoafOfBread »

988747 wrote: post #26
TheLoafOfBread wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

EU is only creating a golden decade for far right. Just watch.

So everyone who disagrees with current EU policies is far right? For me the divide is more "far left" vs normal :)

Yes you are right. I got infected by media and started thinking that everything right from far left is now far right.
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