Welcome to Hell, Elon • Hacker News Board

Re: Welcome to Hell, Elon

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Post by toomuchtodo » Fri, Oct 28, 2022, 2:52 PM UTC

andsoitis wrote: post #10

labrador wrote: post #3

My first thought when Musk bought Twitter was "His engineering has team figured out content moderation" but I've seen no evidence or talk of that. So I think it's true that he impulsively bought himself his worst nightmare.

> His engineering has team figured out content moderation Which of his engineering teams? Tesla? SpaceX? I don't see why they would be working on content moderation.

Hot take: there is overlap between Dojo (Tesla’s self driving ML system they feed data into to tune “FSD” models) and ingesting Tweets and signal to automate content moderation.

How good will it be? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ DALL-E is pretty good, let’s see where this goes.

Re: Welcome to Hell, Elon

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Post by evouga » Fri, Oct 28, 2022, 2:52 PM UTC

Fascinating that the OP compares Twitter to “living at Disney World”! I can’t stand the obviously fake facades and carefully curated costumes and fake smiles at Disney in large doses and never understood the mindset that could drive adults to want to live full-time at the park.

Twitter addiction has wasted the best minds of my generation and if it implodes and takes Musk with it… win-win!

Re: Welcome to Hell, Elon

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Post by SilverBirch » Fri, Oct 28, 2022, 2:52 PM UTC

andsoitis wrote: post #10

labrador wrote: post #3

My first thought when Musk bought Twitter was "His engineering has team figured out content moderation" but I've seen no evidence or talk of that. So I think it's true that he impulsively bought himself his worst nightmare.

> His engineering has team figured out content moderation Which of his engineering teams? Tesla? SpaceX? I don't see why they would be working on content moderation.

And if Tesla engineers are working on content moderation for Twitter I think a few Tesla share holders would be interested in why they're bankrolling Musk's other enterprises.

Re: Welcome to Hell, Elon

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Post by bpodgursky » Fri, Oct 28, 2022, 2:53 PM UTC

LatteLazy wrote: post #6

It's very very unclear to me why he bought it. He said it was about free speech but Twitter is already about as free as it's possible to be without permitting a whole bunch of content that is NOT protected under the first amendment (CP, calls to violence etc). And if it is about free speech then it cannot be an automated moderation play, because there is nothing to moderate if you're a pure free speech platform. The…

> Twitter is already about as free as it's possible to be without permitting a whole bunch of content that is NOT protected under the first amendment

This is just wildly untrue. There is a huge range of gender-critical views, vaccine skepticism, any combination of race/gender/genetics/IQ discourse, and a ton of other topics that will get you banned, that come nowhere near first amendment protections.

You might think that's a good thing, that's a valid argument, but it's simply untrue to imply that the limit is similar to 1A protections.

Re: Welcome to Hell, Elon

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Post by pmoriarty » Fri, Oct 28, 2022, 2:53 PM UTC

dsfyu404ed wrote: post #7

datalopers wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He's going find it's tough growing a company without a constant flow of government contracts and subsidies.

I'm pretty sure every MBA ever is laughing at the implicit assumptions in the article and these comments. It might not be pretty but there are other ways than growth to make a company more profitable/valuable...

I'm not sure if Musk's goal is to make Twitter profitable or to make some sort of ideological point.

Re: Welcome to Hell, Elon

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Post by bluehatbrit » Fri, Oct 28, 2022, 2:53 PM UTC

LatteLazy wrote: post #6

It's very very unclear to me why he bought it. He said it was about free speech but Twitter is already about as free as it's possible to be without permitting a whole bunch of content that is NOT protected under the first amendment (CP, calls to violence etc). And if it is about free speech then it cannot be an automated moderation play, because there is nothing to moderate if you're a pure free speech platform. The…

I've just assumed this is the new version of buying media outlets. Bezos bought the Washington Post, Musk decided to buy Twitter. I'm sure it won't be long before Musk hating gets you kicked off the platform.

Re: Welcome to Hell, Elon

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Post by kbenson » Fri, Oct 28, 2022, 2:53 PM UTC

nelsonic wrote: post #11

Never bet against Elon. Starlink alone will make more money than twitter ever could. If you don’t see the potential for Twitter. That’s fine. But don’t write an article about how it’s “hell” if you don’t have the vision for how to improve it. That’s like someone who has no idea how to cook leaving a bad review for food they could never hope to improve on. If Elon listened to Haters/Doubters like this Verge journo, th…

> That’s like someone who has no idea how to cook leaving a bad review for food they could never hope to improve on.

I agree it's like that but disagree there's a problem with that. Ultimately it's the consumers that are the judges if it's a business.

Re: Welcome to Hell, Elon

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Post by memish » Fri, Oct 28, 2022, 2:53 PM UTC

LatteLazy wrote: post #6

It's very very unclear to me why he bought it. He said it was about free speech but Twitter is already about as free as it's possible to be without permitting a whole bunch of content that is NOT protected under the first amendment (CP, calls to violence etc). And if it is about free speech then it cannot be an automated moderation play, because there is nothing to moderate if you're a pure free speech platform. The…

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Re: Welcome to Hell, Elon

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Post by everdrive » Fri, Oct 28, 2022, 2:54 PM UTC

nelsonic wrote: post #11

Never bet against Elon. Starlink alone will make more money than twitter ever could. If you don’t see the potential for Twitter. That’s fine. But don’t write an article about how it’s “hell” if you don’t have the vision for how to improve it. That’s like someone who has no idea how to cook leaving a bad review for food they could never hope to improve on. If Elon listened to Haters/Doubters like this Verge journo, th…

> That’s like someone who has no idea how to cook leaving a bad review for food they could never hope to improve on

Ignoring the context of the article, I don’t believe that the example you’ve given here is really fair. It’s perfectly valid to review something which you could not create. If we excluded that whole category, then reviews would mostly cease to exist, and only peer review would be possible.

Re: Welcome to Hell, Elon

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Post by ultra_nick » Fri, Oct 28, 2022, 2:54 PM UTC

LatteLazy wrote: post #6

It's very very unclear to me why he bought it. He said it was about free speech but Twitter is already about as free as it's possible to be without permitting a whole bunch of content that is NOT protected under the first amendment (CP, calls to violence etc). And if it is about free speech then it cannot be an automated moderation play, because there is nothing to moderate if you're a pure free speech platform. The…

Twitter censors legal mainstream political opinions. Society can't discuss or resolve issues because half of every argument gets blocked.

I'm convinced half the polarization in America comes from neither side understanding the other side's basic arguments.