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What Happened to Hu Jintao?

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Re: What Happened to Hu Jintao?

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Post by tomcam »

abudabi123 wrote: post #15
spaceman_2020 wrote: post #9

I feel bad for young Chinese people who were born after the economy opened up. Can't shake the feeling that the world that they've known is about to be turned upside down, and not for the better. Increasingly hard to go back to business as usual with China. And I'm not even sure Xi wants to go back to business as usual.

Xi has a place on his priority table for the real economy and ordinary folk and those in abject poverty and proper ecological stewardship. Gone are the late nights of celebratory indulgence to excess juicing the spreadsheet numbers in immitative unsustainable businesscult imprinted from the west

Definitely not a soldier in the 50 cent army. Just a typical HN account. Nothing to see here.

Re: What Happened to Hu Jintao?

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Post by eternalban »

roenxi wrote: post #11

It is a reminder how opaque Chinese politics is that a former Politburo Standing Committee member can be dragged off stage without comment. Imagine trying to do that to Trump or Obama! Between purge and medical emergency, a purge of some sort seems more likely since the censors got involved. If it wasn't for show it'd be weird to do it in the middle of the public show too. It'd be a very powerful demonstration if tha…

The US equivalent would be getting booted off of Twitter & denied friendly access via press.

Hu was apparently upset that the list of candidates was not what he had expected, since the session was to hold a simple yes/no to the entire list.

He wanted to check his list against Xi's list which is why he kept reaching for it. Apparently even his son was booted off along with various allies, like vice-premier of China. It seems it was indeed a surprise to Xi and company & a snap decision by Xi to remove Hu was made.

Lei's real talk on YT is an informed resource by a Chinese critic of CPC. NYTimes article today seems based on her (uncredited) work published earlier on YT:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FDQ-M0WJRfo

Re: What Happened to Hu Jintao?

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Post by tunap »

roenxi wrote: post #11

It is a reminder how opaque Chinese politics is that a former Politburo Standing Committee member can be dragged off stage without comment. Imagine trying to do that to Trump or Obama! Between purge and medical emergency, a purge of some sort seems more likely since the censors got involved. If it wasn't for show it'd be weird to do it in the middle of the public show too. It'd be a very powerful demonstration if tha…

>dragged off stage

Easy on the hyperbole. It is extremely odd, and likely he was removed against his own volition, but he also could have been an 80yo man having a moment of confusion. Eg: Trying to take Xi's papers while the man on his left was handing Hu's folder to the 'Aide'.

It is curious we don't see the minutes leading up to the event. I've looked for the entire broadcast(after foreign media allowed in) and have only found the one version that begins after they were already trying to get him out of the chair.

Anyone have a link to an uncurated video containing the moments before the 'Aides' showed up?

Re: What Happened to Hu Jintao?

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Post by throwawayjdej »

tunap wrote: post #23
roenxi wrote: post #11

It is a reminder how opaque Chinese politics is that a former Politburo Standing Committee member can be dragged off stage without comment. Imagine trying to do that to Trump or Obama! Between purge and medical emergency, a purge of some sort seems more likely since the censors got involved. If it wasn't for show it'd be weird to do it in the middle of the public show too. It'd be a very powerful demonstration if tha…

>dragged off stage Easy on the hyperbole. It is extremely odd, and likely he was removed against his own volition, but he also could have been an 80yo man having a moment of confusion. Eg: Trying to take Xi's papers while the man on his left was handing Hu's folder to the 'Aide'. It is curious we don't see the minutes leading up to the event. I've looked for the entire broadcast(after foreign media allowed in) and ha…

https://youtu.be/ZBG2bD-TE9g

Re: What Happened to Hu Jintao?

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Post by tunap »

throwawayjdej wrote: post #24
tunap wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>dragged off stage Easy on the hyperbole. It is extremely odd, and likely he was removed against his own volition, but he also could have been an 80yo man having a moment of confusion. Eg: Trying to take Xi's papers while the man on his left was handing Hu's folder to the 'Aide'. It is curious we don't see the minutes leading up to the event. I've looked for the entire broadcast(after foreign media allowed in) and ha…

https://youtu.be/ZBG2bD-TE9g

That is better by 1.5 minutes preceding the prior footage, but the commotion has already commenced when this video starts. Curiously, probably circumstantial, Hu reaching for Xi's paper has been omitted from this video.

Edit: Despite all the foreign media present, we are only seeing clips. Has the entire event been posted online?

Re: What Happened to Hu Jintao?

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Post by darthrupert »

Communism happened to him. There's a worrying confusion in the west right now in a certain part of the population. People have completely forgotten or wilfully ignore everything we know about the evil every communist system descends imto.

West and especially the young people in the west need to wake up. No system is perfect, but that is no reason to adapt a system we know for certain to be worse.

Re: What Happened to Hu Jintao?

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Post by kleiba »

davidpolberger wrote: post #10
kleiba wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't see any videos at all, only black boxes :(

The archive.ph link does not contain any videos. Refer to https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2022/10/27/world/asia/hu... to access the original article (unlocked).

That's the one I used.

Re: What Happened to Hu Jintao?

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Post by dirtyid »

How much effort HJT issue is being dissected by western MSM is a good reflection of how sad state of PRC watching is in the west. And of course it could _only_ be a power move, because the alternative that XJP is a selfless good boi who wants addle old man to go nap, despite bad optics, can't be fathomed.
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