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Clinton Urges Countries Not to Restrict Internet

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Re: Clinton Urges Countries Not to Restrict Internet

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It's nice to know the US is trying to fight the worldwide plague of internet censorship and monitoring, DNS spoofing, and unilateral site shutdowns. (cough cough SOPA cough cough DHS cough) Yes sir, freedom of speech, freedom from unreasonable search, and "innocent until proven guilty", that's how we do it in the Land of the Free.

She's just saying that other countries should not restrict the Internet more than the US does.

Re: Clinton Urges Countries Not to Restrict Internet

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

To be fair, it's not so different from the way we operate in every other situation. e.g. championing free and fair elections and decrying other people's failures while passing a seemingly endless stream of poll-tax-esque disenfranchisement legislation here at home, in the name of combating voter fraud problems we've never actually seen manifest. or decrying the "crony capitalism" of Taiwan and then China, while regul…

I find it interesting that line three of your post decries regulatory capture, while line four decries deregulation. I think it points to how much of a problem we actually have - we don't want complete deregulation, but the regulations we do end up getting often end up just making it worse. It's pretty disheartening.

Most companies have two strategies when it comes to regulation:

1. Fight any regulation. 2. Fight good regulations.

Re: Clinton Urges Countries Not to Restrict Internet

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I find it interesting that line three of your post decries regulatory capture, while line four decries deregulation. I think it points to how much of a problem we actually have - we don't want complete deregulation, but the regulations we do end up getting often end up just making it worse. It's pretty disheartening.

Most companies have two strategies when it comes to regulation: 1. Fight any regulation. 2. Fight good regulations.

3. Infiltrate regulatory agency.

It's sad, but members of an industry are usually the most qualified people to be in a regulatory agency for that industry. Their expertise makes them good for the job, but the conflict of interest is easy to see. The solution is not.

Re: Clinton Urges Countries Not to Restrict Internet

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most companies have two strategies when it comes to regulation: 1. Fight any regulation. 2. Fight good regulations.

3. Infiltrate regulatory agency. It's sad, but members of an industry are usually the most qualified people to be in a regulatory agency for that industry. Their expertise makes them good for the job, but the conflict of interest is easy to see. The solution is not.

4. Lobby for self-serving, anti-competitive regulations.

Re: Clinton Urges Countries Not to Restrict Internet

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post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To be fair, it's not so different from the way we operate in every other situation. e.g. championing free and fair elections and decrying other people's failures while passing a seemingly endless stream of poll-tax-esque disenfranchisement legislation here at home, in the name of combating voter fraud problems we've never actually seen manifest. or decrying the "crony capitalism" of Taiwan and then China, while regul…

I find it interesting that line three of your post decries regulatory capture, while line four decries deregulation. I think it points to how much of a problem we actually have - we don't want complete deregulation, but the regulations we do end up getting often end up just making it worse. It's pretty disheartening.

Point three is very much about deregulation in industries enjoying regulatory capture.

Wall Street is quick to decry regulations that bar it from doing what it wants. But it's just as quick to protect those regulations that keep competitors out. The regulatory problem really is just one of capture.

"Business-crippling regulations" are up there with Reagan's Welfare Queen, Ohio's voter fraud and Tax Cuts' job-creating stimulus credentials. That is: long accepted as political fact despite a complete lack of evidence of their existence and a continually growing pile of evidence against.

Re: Clinton Urges Countries Not to Restrict Internet

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post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I find it interesting that line three of your post decries regulatory capture, while line four decries deregulation. I think it points to how much of a problem we actually have - we don't want complete deregulation, but the regulations we do end up getting often end up just making it worse. It's pretty disheartening.

Point three is very much about deregulation in industries enjoying regulatory capture. Wall Street is quick to decry regulations that bar it from doing what it wants. But it's just as quick to protect those regulations that keep competitors out. The regulatory problem really is just one of capture. "Business-crippling regulations" are up there with Reagan's Welfare Queen, Ohio's voter fraud and Tax Cuts' job-creating…

I'm not dogmatic about these kinds of things - I will support anything that has a strong body of evidence supporting it (with the caveat that rights don't get violated). Regulations are not sacrosanct - there are bad ones and good ones, and sometimes deregulation kills the bad ones, in which case it should be supported. Sometimes it's just regulatory capture in action, as you said, in which case it needs to be stopped.

Re: Clinton Urges Countries Not to Restrict Internet

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post #21
post #4

It's nice to know the US is trying to fight the worldwide plague of internet censorship and monitoring, DNS spoofing, and unilateral site shutdowns. (cough cough SOPA cough cough DHS cough) Yes sir, freedom of speech, freedom from unreasonable search, and "innocent until proven guilty", that's how we do it in the Land of the Free.

She's just saying that other countries should not restrict the Internet more than the US does.

So all countries can sieze websites without due process? Sounds fair.
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