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Re: macOS 13 Ventura review

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So ruin macOS for the sake of inferior hardware.

Inferior hardware? The iPad Pro has the same CPU as a Macbook...

Beg to disagree. There’s only so much computation a handheld device can support, regardless of its nominal CPU.

Re: macOS 13 Ventura review

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Rumor is macOS is coming to iPads, so makes more sense when you think of it that way

So ruin macOS for the sake of inferior hardware.

This is far from "ruining macOS". System Settings was one of the few areas of the OS that hadn't been updated in forever. This was long overdue.

Re: macOS 13 Ventura review

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Had to flush com.apple.Spotlight.plist file to get Spotlight working properly. After upgrade, Spotlight couldn't find 3d party apps that were installed already.

Also, stage manager is a UI/UX nightmare, I will stick to Rectangle app.

Re: macOS 13 Ventura review

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I don't see the point of the change. It looks too much like iOS.

The previous System Settings UI was long overdue an update. While the new UI does very much resemble macOS, I don't see that as an issue, as it works very well in this context. At least, I believe it does, but I am no UI/UX expert.

Why? Did it function poorly? I'm a bit sick of the idea that something has to be changed because it hasn't for a while.

Re: macOS 13 Ventura review

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To everyone who worked on System Settings, you put in a ton of work, and you're all very talented to ship something in a new framework (SwiftUI) that has gone on to millions of devices. I only have one question: who was in charge of the thumbs up / thumbs down on this new design? Was it Craig Federighi? You all did amazing work with the tools offered - SwiftUI makes the side bar navigation and simple cell table views…

I don't see the point of the change. It looks too much like iOS.

May be that was the point… Apple trying to make MacOS a little more like iOS, and ipadOS a little more like MacOS, and then boom… transition to commonality between iPad and Mac.

Stage manager definitely gives me that vibes. Apple trying very hard to make the UX feel same in a laptop and iPad.

Re: macOS 13 Ventura review

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Is there any legit reason Apple is hastening the drop of support for older computers when they can be upgraded just fine with the OpenCore Legacy Patcher?

It seems wrong to me in an age of excessive e-waste that seemingly arbitrary thresholds is set that has zero hardware links.

I generally really like Apple, and is planning on retiring my 2014 Macbook Pro for an M2, but it's still working absolutely great. But i could only upgrade to Monterey with the legacy patcher like many others, seemingly problem free.

It's the same thing with older iPads, i wanted to use one as a "hub" for homekit, but you can't because it can't update ios beyond 9 (regular browsing + video + 99% of apps is also broken), so people just throw it in the dumpster with a great battery, a fine screen and a processor that could easily be used as a server, video player, browser etc.

I know other companies are often worse but we really need legislation around this; something ala if the biggest players drop support for some hardware let the user upgrade anyway even if performance will be worse, otherwise release all drivers so that you can at least install linux or alternatively release some "trimmed down versions" of the OS for legacy systems that can still run basic functionality.

Re: macOS 13 Ventura review

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To everyone who worked on System Settings, you put in a ton of work, and you're all very talented to ship something in a new framework (SwiftUI) that has gone on to millions of devices. I only have one question: who was in charge of the thumbs up / thumbs down on this new design? Was it Craig Federighi? You all did amazing work with the tools offered - SwiftUI makes the side bar navigation and simple cell table views…

> explain in depth why a side bar makes sense for settings, the most cognitively demanding part of an OS now with superfluous information on the side? That's critical real estate to lose

What are you talking about?

First of all, there's zero "critical real estate" to lose. Settings doesn't, and never has, taken up even close to full screen width on any regular laptop/monitor. And it still doesn't. Literally nothing is lost.

Second, why doesn't it make sense? The previous icon palette was a usability disaster. I'd spend 15 seconds hunting for which damned icon I was looking for each time. The sidebar has much more logical groupings. Plus, when you follow a button/link in one panel that leads to a different panel (e.g. accessibility to keyboard, or vice-versa) it's clear visually where you are now, because a new category in the sidebar is highlighted.

And I just have no idea what visual clutter you're talking about either. Do you find tab bars at the top of a dialog to also be clutter? Do you find the menu bar to be clutter? Because this works the same as both of those.

Re: macOS 13 Ventura review

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So ruin macOS for the sake of inferior hardware.

This is far from "ruining macOS". System Settings was one of the few areas of the OS that hadn't been updated in forever. This was long overdue.

Just because it hasn't been updated in forever doesn't mean it needs to be. I get the feeling that people get bored with a design and expect a design refresh.

Re: macOS 13 Ventura review

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>The good

>Orange color scheme is fittingly Halloween-y for late October

Lol what? Are we to the point now where OS updates are so mundane that a highlight of the release is that the primary color scheme is "holiday relevant" for at most two weeks out of the year?

Not bashing Ventura - I haven't used it - I just feel like this is a weird thing to put in the "pro" column for a review of an operating system. Not that putting it in the "con" column would be any less weird...

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