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Available Today: Windows Dev Kit 2023 a.k.a. Project Volterra

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Re: Available Today: Windows Dev Kit 2023 a.k.a. Project Volterra

#21
post #7

I want to install Linux on one of these and use it as a low power consumption home server.

Snapdragon chips have pretty good Linux support. And the GPU driver is in a good state with Freedreno for desktop use. So probably a decent chance of it being functional shortly.

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#22
I don’t know if Windows on ARM has a future, but, IMHO, almost anything that encourages more happenings in the ARM ecosystem is a benefit—the whole world has gone mobile, and its longer battery life takes the cake over its more powerful x86/amd64 counterparts.

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#23
post #7

I want to install Linux on one of these and use it as a low power consumption home server.

From what MS says you cannot do it out of the box.

You'll need to wait a bit until a new device tree comes for these devices. Given that support for the ThinkPad X13s with the same SoC is coming along... going to happen pretty soon.

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post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is this actually true? How is Visual Studio in parallels or crossover?

Technically, yes. If you look at the benchmarks, a VM of Windows on an M1 (base model) is significantly faster than both the SQ1 / 8cx Gen 1 and SQ2 / 8cx Gen 2 processors Microsoft included with the Surface Pro X (by like, 30%, it's not even close), though how it compares to 8cx Gen 3 / SQ3 is unknown. However, considering we're on M2 by now, and that we now have M1 Pro and M1 Ultra models as well... egh...

32gb on an m2 is probably going to cost you around $3000. I don't think 32gb on m1 is even possible.

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Same here - with 32GB of RAM I could easily replace my main home server (which runs NixOS, so I can easily just rebuild the system for aarch64). I wonder how quickly people will get Linux running on these...

The M1 can run Asahi Linux, which I imagine is going to outperform this. https://www.androidauthority.com/snapdragon-8cx-gen-3-intel-...

Exactly, this is priced very similarly to the Mac Mini with M1 (soon to be updated to use an M2) and can already run Linux fairly well.

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#26
post #4

How is Snapdragon 8cx support on Linux? I recall seeing some basic dotfiles for the ARM Thinkpad when it hit shelves, but I haven't seen anything else. Is there a good chance it would run OOB on a recent kernel with this devkit?

Given https://www.phoronix.com/news/Linux-5.20-SoCs-8cx-Gen3-Arm, it should already work if you run something rolling release or similar that has reached 5.20. (Otherwise, waiting for 6.1 is probably simplest.)

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#27
post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is this actually true? How is Visual Studio in parallels or crossover?

Technically, yes. If you look at the benchmarks, a VM of Windows on an M1 (base model) is significantly faster than both the SQ1 / 8cx Gen 1 and SQ2 / 8cx Gen 2 processors Microsoft included with the Surface Pro X (by like, 30%, it's not even close), though how it compares to 8cx Gen 3 / SQ3 is unknown. However, considering we're on M2 by now, and that we now have M1 Pro and M1 Ultra models as well... egh...

Having a functioning GPU with this box is likely to make a bigger difference than the benchmarks in general use.

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#28
post #13

They should give them away. I’d never spend $600 on any kind of windows product. Maybe we can install linux on it? But you’d have to be smoking crack not to buy a mac mini m1. It’s the best computer I ever used hands down

I mean crack, or a specific use case that isn't Mac bound like some kinds of development.

But probably crack

Re: Available Today: Windows Dev Kit 2023 a.k.a. Project Volterra

#29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Technically, yes. If you look at the benchmarks, a VM of Windows on an M1 (base model) is significantly faster than both the SQ1 / 8cx Gen 1 and SQ2 / 8cx Gen 2 processors Microsoft included with the Surface Pro X (by like, 30%, it's not even close), though how it compares to 8cx Gen 3 / SQ3 is unknown. However, considering we're on M2 by now, and that we now have M1 Pro and M1 Ultra models as well... egh...

32gb on an m2 is probably going to cost you around $3000. I don't think 32gb on m1 is even possible.

Sure - if you need all 32GB for development work, it is a great deal. But, with a processor slower than a midrange modern Intel laptop, good luck using it to its full extent without feeling quite slow. So slow you might almost prefer a 16GB M1 Mac mini with swap for the rest despite the VM.

Plus, if you read Microsoft documentation on Windows on ARM so far, Microsoft doesn't actually expect you to use an IDE on these machines - but rather run your code remotely on them. You'll be a lot happier with your IDE running on a more powerful machine. Of course, if you do that, the lack of a GPU on the M1 for a Windows on ARM VM becomes not really an issue.

Re: Available Today: Windows Dev Kit 2023 a.k.a. Project Volterra

#30
post #9

Could this be the harbinger of a return to Windows Phone? The world sorely needs an alternative to the mobile OS duopoly.

I'd argue that Microsoft entering the mobile OS market is worse than having a duopoly

Why?
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