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Docker October 2022 Pricing Change FAQ

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Re: Docker October 2022 Pricing Change FAQ

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Post by danielheath »

WhatsName wrote: post #15
chtitux wrote: post #2

With Pro accounts limited to 100 users, I believe this is a good opportunity to recall [0], that lists businesses that overprice SSO [0] https://sso.tax/

SSO as a requirement is a reliable way to differenciate small business/ hobbist from commercial usage of your product. I really don't get at whom this SSO-tax hate is directed at?

The feature is implemented. I'd prefer to use it. It would cost them nothing to let me do so. Yet, I can't, because then big corporates wouldn't be milked for as much cash. I accept this as just another one of those inefficiencies of market capitalism, but it's still a little irksome.

Re: Docker October 2022 Pricing Change FAQ

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Post by HideousKojima »

ilovecaching wrote: post #11

Its unfortunate Docker came out of the VC space instead of being a hobby/research project with no intentions of making money. Solomon Hykes could have been the next Linus Torvalds and Docker could have been completely encompassed by a foundation, with the development being funded by a consortium of businesses each keeping each other in check as in the kernel. As it stands Docker seems to have burnt a lot of open sour…

>now people are left choosing between a failed unicorn desperate to monetize or a Red Hat knockoff designed to get you into RHEL

There are other alternatives, like Amazon's Firecracker

Re: Docker October 2022 Pricing Change FAQ

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Post by alisonatwork »

wdb wrote: post #7
KronisLV wrote: post #3

For those that don't necessarily want to pay for Docker and primarily want to host/build/use container images, going for self-hosted Nexus can be a more cost effective solution, as I did for my own needs: https://blog.kronis.dev/tutorials/moving-from-gitlab-registr... (albeit in my case I migrated over from GitLab Registry and now having a proxy registry as well is just an added boon) At this point, even not signing…

Podman is a nice alternative for Docker I think. Only Gitlab.com doens't support Podman yet with their public runners yet. Gitlab Runner itself appear to support it though

A bunch of tools are still trying to catch up with pluggable container runtimes, most notably on my end right now the VS Code "Docker" plugin[0].

In general, though, I have to agree it's a nice alternative. In fact, I think it's already a better alternative for developer workstations. Getting it installed on my Windows box was just one winget command, then I was able to start the WSL host instance and get going with containers from the command line straight away. It didn't install any heavyweight UI front end, it doesn't automagically start running a bunch of services when you boot, there's no nag screens to log in or register or update, you just type some stuff on the command line and off you go. And it makes me happy that even when you SSH in to the WSL instance there's still no daemon running, you're logged in as a normal user and don't need root. It just feels like a much cleaner and more modern approach to containerizing stuff for developers.

[0] https://github.com/microsoft/vscode-docker/issues/3263

Re: Docker October 2022 Pricing Change FAQ

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Post by Wowfunhappy »

danielheath wrote: post #21
WhatsName wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

SSO as a requirement is a reliable way to differenciate small business/ hobbist from commercial usage of your product. I really don't get at whom this SSO-tax hate is directed at?

The feature is implemented. I'd prefer to use it. It would cost them nothing to let me do so. Yet, I can't, because then big corporates wouldn't be milked for as much cash. I accept this as just another one of those inefficiencies of market capitalism, but it's still a little irksome.

> The feature is implemented. I'd prefer to use it. It would cost them nothing to let me do so.

The other way to view it is, by withholding a nonessential feature, Docker gets big customers to subsidize all the little guys, and their product is more accessible overall.

Re: Docker October 2022 Pricing Change FAQ

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Post by Wowfunhappy »

> The list price of the Docker Business subscription will go up by $3, to $24 per user per month (Business is only available on an annual basis).

I hate that this has become an acceptable way to list prices. It's not $24 per month, it's $288 per year! "Per month" implies the customer can pay that price every month, and also stop paying on any given month.

In other news, Docker Business is going to cost 3.3¢ per user per hour. Except you're required to pay for the hours you're asleep, because the service is offered "on an annual basis".

Re: Docker October 2022 Pricing Change FAQ

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Post by Spivak »

ivan_gammel wrote: post #20
WhatsName wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

SSO as a requirement is a reliable way to differenciate small business/ hobbist from commercial usage of your product. I really don't get at whom this SSO-tax hate is directed at?

SSO is not contributing to the core product USP and is pure money extraction mechanism. If company can add enough value on enterprise plan, they could easily drop SSO on less expensive tier. If company cannot add enough value to the core product, they use SSO and reachable customer support to justify more expensive subscription. This may deincentivize customers to buy more or reduce overall security if customer fails…

> and is pure money extraction mechanism

Yes, you act like this is a bad thing. You hold back and charge for the features customers want enough to pay for. You’ve never noticed that whenever there’s a Free/Pro of an app the one feature you need is always on the Pro version?

> add enough value on enterprise plan, they could easily drop SSO

That really isn’t how it works. You find some small set of features that enterprises must have like SSO, auditing, and compliance and charge them out the ass for it. This is where the real money for every B2B SaaS comes from and subsidizes the low cost tiers which they hope will translate to an enterprise sale when you ask for it at work.

Re: Docker October 2022 Pricing Change FAQ

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Post by Spivak »

xiwenc wrote: post #16
WhatsName wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

SSO as a requirement is a reliable way to differenciate small business/ hobbist from commercial usage of your product. I really don't get at whom this SSO-tax hate is directed at?

SSO is becoming a necessity for small businesses also. If you are involved in audits, you will understand how valuable it is.

> you will understand how valuable it is.

Sounds like it’s worth the cost then.

Re: Docker October 2022 Pricing Change FAQ

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Post by Anon1096 »

danielheath wrote: post #21
WhatsName wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

SSO as a requirement is a reliable way to differenciate small business/ hobbist from commercial usage of your product. I really don't get at whom this SSO-tax hate is directed at?

The feature is implemented. I'd prefer to use it. It would cost them nothing to let me do so. Yet, I can't, because then big corporates wouldn't be milked for as much cash. I accept this as just another one of those inefficiencies of market capitalism, but it's still a little irksome.

You can say that about any paid feature of literally any b2b software ever.
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