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Re: Is Truss Still PM?

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Post by daveoc64 »

fdfaz wrote: post #16

Is there any reason to think she's about to leave or is this some wishful thinking from the usual suspects?

Have you seen the news in the UK this week?

She's had a terrible week (and that's saying something given her premiership to date).

She had to sack the chancellor that enacted all of her campaign promises, bring in a new chancellor who has undone all of her campaign promises.

Some of the polls coming out suggest the Conservatives would be in 3rd place at a General Election behind the SNP.

Re: Is Truss Still PM?

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Post by klelatti »

Interesting and relevant post from David Allen Green [1] about the historical origins of the title 'Prime Minister'.

> It was a title that was used just to describe the most dominant minister of the day, the one who controlled the cabinet and had the confidence of parliament – usually the First Lord of the Treasury but sometimes not.

> And if today one asked an alien looking down from space who was the Prime Minister of the United Kingdom, that alien would assume it was Jeremy Hunt.

[1] https://davidallengreen.com/2022/10/a-prime-minister-in-name...

Re: Is Truss Still PM?

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Post by argsnd »

daveoc64 wrote: post #21
fdfaz wrote: post #16

Is there any reason to think she's about to leave or is this some wishful thinking from the usual suspects?

Have you seen the news in the UK this week? She's had a terrible week (and that's saying something given her premiership to date). She had to sack the chancellor that enacted all of her campaign promises, bring in a new chancellor who has undone all of her campaign promises. Some of the polls coming out suggest the Conservatives would be in 3rd place at a General Election behind the SNP.

Fourth behind the SNP in some cases.

Re: Is Truss Still PM?

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Post by jemmyw »

denton-scratch wrote: post #8

The page said "Yes"; the page is wrong. The new Chancellor of the Exchequer is not under Truss's control, he's under the control of men in grey suits. If Truss doesn't control cabinet ministers, she isn't the Prime Minister. We have no government; we need a General Election immediately. This is a very dangerous situation.

It's not dangerous. Other countries have managed with their parliamentary system out of action for extended amounts of time. That's the point of having strong institutions and a civil service. The Tories haven't totally destroyed that yet, despite their efforts.

Re: Is Truss Still PM?

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Post by mtlmtlmtlmtl »

From a democratic point of view the only thing that makes sense to me now is a snap election.

The Tories have now had one PM resign in disgrace and then seemingly failed to set up an acceptable new cabinet. I see no reason why they should keep their mandate without renewed voter support.

I suppose the king could instruct Labour to try to form a minority cabinet, but that's beyond my understanding of the procedures of British parliamentary practice.

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Post by Milner08 »

mtlmtlmtlmtl wrote: post #25

From a democratic point of view the only thing that makes sense to me now is a snap election. The Tories have now had one PM resign in disgrace and then seemingly failed to set up an acceptable new cabinet. I see no reason why they should keep their mandate without renewed voter support. I suppose the king could instruct Labour to try to form a minority cabinet, but that's beyond my understanding of the procedures of…

Without an election Labour dont have enough seats to be an effective minority government. They would need either lots of support from other parties.

Best option right now is an election, its really our only path to stability. But the Tories will hang on for as long as they can as they are expecting to be wiped out if they held an election right now.

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Post by AndrewDucker »

mtlmtlmtlmtl wrote: post #25

From a democratic point of view the only thing that makes sense to me now is a snap election. The Tories have now had one PM resign in disgrace and then seemingly failed to set up an acceptable new cabinet. I see no reason why they should keep their mandate without renewed voter support. I suppose the king could instruct Labour to try to form a minority cabinet, but that's beyond my understanding of the procedures of…

By what process do you think there would be one?

Unless the Conservatives decide that they don't want to be in power any more, there is no way to make an election happen.

Re: Is Truss Still PM?

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Post by SideburnsOfDoom »

klelatti wrote: post #22

Interesting and relevant post from David Allen Green [1] about the historical origins of the title 'Prime Minister'. > It was a title that was used just to describe the most dominant minister of the day, the one who controlled the cabinet and had the confidence of parliament – usually the First Lord of the Treasury but sometimes not. > And if today one asked an alien looking down from space who was the Prime Minister…

Yes, they're now using the term PMINO for Truss.

Re: Is Truss Still PM?

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Post by londons_explore »

Milner08 wrote: post #26
mtlmtlmtlmtl wrote: post #25

From a democratic point of view the only thing that makes sense to me now is a snap election. The Tories have now had one PM resign in disgrace and then seemingly failed to set up an acceptable new cabinet. I see no reason why they should keep their mandate without renewed voter support. I suppose the king could instruct Labour to try to form a minority cabinet, but that's beyond my understanding of the procedures of…

Without an election Labour dont have enough seats to be an effective minority government. They would need either lots of support from other parties. Best option right now is an election, its really our only path to stability. But the Tories will hang on for as long as they can as they are expecting to be wiped out if they held an election right now.

It would be nice if there was a way for the people to request an election anytime.

For example... Anyone can gather 100 signatures asking for an election. Then the electoral commission will select 1000 people at random from the electoral register and ask them "Should the UK hold an immediate election?". And then if the majority of those responding say yes, then an election happens.

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