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White Americans are beginning to realise that they too belong to a race

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Re: White Americans are beginning to realise that they too belong to a race

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Post by throwawayallday »

JKCalhoun wrote: post #14
version_five wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Yet we keep falling for their bullshit. Why? > Because we deeply want to belong to something more than just ourselves, I think. I think in most cases it's simpler than that. People go along with this kind of BS because they are afraid of being labeled as racist (and in doing so, ironically perpetuate racism). It's a shortcut that special interest have found so shut down discussion: "you're with us or you're racist…

> People go along with this kind of BS because they are afraid of being labeled as racist Do you actually know anyone for whom this is true? Afraid of being labeled racist? If you're not racist that strikes me as a crazy thing to obsess over.

>People go along with this kind of BS because they are afraid of being labeled as communist

Do you actually know anyone for whom this is true? Afraid of being labeled communist? If you're not communist that strikes me as a crazy thing to obsess over.

See what I did there? These were legitimate fears during the Red Scare. We're similarly in another moral panic, and a lot of these terrible situations are resurrecting.

Re: White Americans are beginning to realise that they too belong to a race

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Post by Manu40 »

dudebrooo wrote: post #15

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As rude as your comment may come off to some, you are correct about at least one thing.

Push from one side of politics too far, and the other side will swell up to meet that push. Hegel tried to teach us this, and Jung to some extent as well. It's often referred to as the political pendulum by folk like I, and we often think it best to be left alone in the center, with anyone daring touch it being given wide berth and sometimes complete avoidance. Only under the more important issues will touching it be allowable, and even then only lightly with extreme care.

Since there is a lot of commentary on this subject matter, I will just link you the google search term so you can pick and choose your own preferred source on the subject matter. It all ultimately comes to the same conclusion. We need to leave the pendulum alone, and keep overtons window as close to center as possible, with only little swings when needed for the good of society.

https://www.google.com/search?q=Political+Pendulum+Hegel&ei=...

Re: White Americans are beginning to realise that they too belong to a race

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Post by Manu40 »

lern_too_spel wrote: post #9
hutzlibu wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, but rather because it is not helpful or very rational at all, to divide humans into races (especially just based on the trait skincolor). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_(human_categorization) "Even though there is a broad scientific agreement that essentialist and typological conceptions of race are untenable, scientists around the world continue to conceptualize race in widely differing ways. While some rese…

The people this article is about think that race is associated genetically with intellectual ability and worry about things like racial purity. The people who previously talked about race use it as a proxy for identifying groups of people that aren't succeeding in society, causing some drag on economic development, and try to figure out how to solve the problem.

> The people who previously talked about race use it as a proxy for identifying groups of people that aren't succeeding in society, causing some drag on economic development, and try to figure out how to solve the problem.

And that there is the problem. They used a term that has a whole lot of negative connotation to try to advance their good intentions, which have brought us hell because the worst among us also use that terminology for less good intent.

This is why we shouldn't label under race. Label under issue, which allows for all who suffer the same issue to be helped, instead of just a subset of that group. Sure, there may very well be some people who are being harmed more by some factor or another, but by doing it the way they have, they made it about the race of these people instead of the suffering they (and others) all ultimately face.

Poverty cares not for our definitions. It affects all of any colour, creed or race. But when we make it about their colour, creed, or race, we take away from the actual problem trying to be solved. Poverty.

Re: White Americans are beginning to realise that they too belong to a race

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Post by arisbe__ »

JKCalhoun wrote: post #14
version_five wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Yet we keep falling for their bullshit. Why? > Because we deeply want to belong to something more than just ourselves, I think. I think in most cases it's simpler than that. People go along with this kind of BS because they are afraid of being labeled as racist (and in doing so, ironically perpetuate racism). It's a shortcut that special interest have found so shut down discussion: "you're with us or you're racist…

> People go along with this kind of BS because they are afraid of being labeled as racist Do you actually know anyone for whom this is true? Afraid of being labeled racist? If you're not racist that strikes me as a crazy thing to obsess over.

Literaly everyone I know with the exclusion of myself.

Re: White Americans are beginning to realise that they too belong to a race

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Post by Normille »

Being white and not self-loathing is practically a hate-crime these days. If you happen to be male and heterosexual too, you're worse than Hitler and should begin self-flagellation immediately.

Personally I find it offensive to be continually lectured on what a rich, over-priveleged piece of shit I am, just because I was born white. By people with more wealth and privilege than anyone in my working class family has ever enjoyed.

Political correctness, and its never-ending hammering on an already open door, has actually made me more racist of late, where I wasn't at all before.

Re: White Americans are beginning to realise that they too belong to a race

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Post by realcertify »

Normille wrote: post #25

Being white and not self-loathing is practically a hate-crime these days. If you happen to be male and heterosexual too, you're worse than Hitler and should begin self-flagellation immediately. Personally I find it offensive to be continually lectured on what a rich, over-priveleged piece of shit I am, just because I was born white. By people with more wealth and privilege than anyone in my working class family has e…

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Re: White Americans are beginning to realise that they too belong to a race

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Post by slowmovintarget »

Manu40 wrote: post #22
dudebrooo wrote: post #15

Quoted post unavailable.

As rude as your comment may come off to some, you are correct about at least one thing. Push from one side of politics too far, and the other side will swell up to meet that push. Hegel tried to teach us this, and Jung to some extent as well. It's often referred to as the political pendulum by folk like I, and we often think it best to be left alone in the center, with anyone daring touch it being given wide berth an…

Hayek also addressed this in The Road to Serfdom.

Re: White Americans are beginning to realise that they too belong to a race

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Post by hdjjhhvvhga »

Normille wrote: post #25

Being white and not self-loathing is practically a hate-crime these days. If you happen to be male and heterosexual too, you're worse than Hitler and should begin self-flagellation immediately. Personally I find it offensive to be continually lectured on what a rich, over-priveleged piece of shit I am, just because I was born white. By people with more wealth and privilege than anyone in my working class family has e…

> Being white and not self-loathing is practically a hate-crime these days.

...in the USA. In other parts of the world, not so much. Unfortunately, the USA has enormous influence on the culture in other countries: through business culture, tech giants and so on. So many of these alien concepts transpire to societies where they make little sense.

Re: White Americans are beginning to realise that they too belong to a race

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Post by dudul »

hdjjhhvvhga wrote: post #28
Normille wrote: post #25

Being white and not self-loathing is practically a hate-crime these days. If you happen to be male and heterosexual too, you're worse than Hitler and should begin self-flagellation immediately. Personally I find it offensive to be continually lectured on what a rich, over-priveleged piece of shit I am, just because I was born white. By people with more wealth and privilege than anyone in my working class family has e…

> Being white and not self-loathing is practically a hate-crime these days. ...in the USA. In other parts of the world, not so much. Unfortunately, the USA has enormous influence on the culture in other countries: through business culture, tech giants and so on. So many of these alien concepts transpire to societies where they make little sense.

So it's only "in the USA" but due to cultural influence it transpires everywhere. So it's not just a US problem.

The idea that someone should be hated because of the color of their skin makes sense no where, not even in the US.

Re: White Americans are beginning to realise that they too belong to a race

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Post by Manu40 »

slowmovintarget wrote: post #27
Manu40 wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As rude as your comment may come off to some, you are correct about at least one thing. Push from one side of politics too far, and the other side will swell up to meet that push. Hegel tried to teach us this, and Jung to some extent as well. It's often referred to as the political pendulum by folk like I, and we often think it best to be left alone in the center, with anyone daring touch it being given wide berth an…

Hayek also addressed this in The Road to Serfdom .

Right, thanks. I actually need to finish reading that.
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