The Ukrainian-Russo war has shown the military the power of offensive drones. You think they are going to allow civilians to own such powerful potential weapons in the future? I think offensive drone warfare is just scratching the surface. I can think of a few modifications to drones, I've yet to see in Ukraine, that could increase their lethality 10x.
Pentagon Puts DJI on Blacklist
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#22Do other countries put US hardware and software companies on blacklists for their involvement with DoD? If so, then I think quite a few major US tech companies would be unable to do business outside the US and Europe.
They probably would if they aren't allies with trade agreements. But they are, and I think you know this already.
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#23Now if there were any replacement for DJI I'd be happy... their tech stack is weird AF (e.g. you can only view synchronized flightbooks on your DJI RC controller or on the phone if you're using the sticks-only controller but not on the website or the macOS/Windows companion app, the damn expensive DJI RC controller doesn't do HDMI/DP output, the controllers can't be re-used between drone generations, DJI Fly is only…
“ Seriously the EU and US need to step up and establish or at least fund companies that can compete with DJI and other sanctioned entities.” Establishing legible regulations, yes - but why should taxpayers fund drone companies? What is the public benefit in doing so?
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Re: Pentagon Puts DJI on Blacklist
#24Now if there were any replacement for DJI I'd be happy... their tech stack is weird AF (e.g. you can only view synchronized flightbooks on your DJI RC controller or on the phone if you're using the sticks-only controller but not on the website or the macOS/Windows companion app, the damn expensive DJI RC controller doesn't do HDMI/DP output, the controllers can't be re-used between drone generations, DJI Fly is only…
“ Seriously the EU and US need to step up and establish or at least fund companies that can compete with DJI and other sanctioned entities.” Establishing legible regulations, yes - but why should taxpayers fund drone companies? What is the public benefit in doing so?
For the same reasons taxpayers fund semiconductor fabs (CHIPS Act): local supply chains for critical infrastructure.
Re: Pentagon Puts DJI on Blacklist
#25Now if there were any replacement for DJI I'd be happy... their tech stack is weird AF (e.g. you can only view synchronized flightbooks on your DJI RC controller or on the phone if you're using the sticks-only controller but not on the website or the macOS/Windows companion app, the damn expensive DJI RC controller doesn't do HDMI/DP output, the controllers can't be re-used between drone generations, DJI Fly is only…
“ Seriously the EU and US need to step up and establish or at least fund companies that can compete with DJI and other sanctioned entities.” Establishing legible regulations, yes - but why should taxpayers fund drone companies? What is the public benefit in doing so?
> What is the public benefit in doing so?
At the moment, DJI's R&D is likely heavily subsidized by Chinese military funds. The result of that is that DJI can offer its products vastly cheaper than domestic (or allied nations') companies can.
Therefore, the public benefit of subsidies, tariffs and sanctions would be:
- not assisting China's military development by providing funds (from drone sales) and operational data from the drones. Even the flight logs provide immense amounts of real world data about the environment and the behavior - e.g. the Mini 3 Pro's camera based object tracking. That's crazy good AI at work there, gotta admit that.
- providing domestic and allied nations' companies with the opportunity to do business without being subject to Chinese price dumping, thus keeping wealth inside the allied space and outside of the CCPs cash reserves
- consumers have their privacy rights respected
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#26They are absolutely right to do this, and private users should be wary as well. DJI's application (Mimo) has been banned from the Android Play Store for some time, with no explanation given by DJI. They offer an APK to side load, which is completely unsupervised, and requires access to your phone's accurate location and other invasive permissions no matter which of their products you are using. This is an important d…
> GPS might be helpful for drones (though it should be on the drone, not your phone) Actually, for the new EU regulations, you need to broadcast both the position of the drone and of the operator, at least for everything above class C1 ("remote ID", see [1]). And in any case, drones without working GPS are not fun to fly. DJI's Mini 3 Pro (and its larger friends) can do by using the collision-avoidance stereo cameras…
While this is interesting (broadcast to whom exactly?) my main point is that DJI demands access to your smartphone location even for products that clearly have no use for this information, while giving you a sideloaded app which is banned from the official store. To me, these point to a trust issue.
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#28Earlier quoted context omitted.
fyi the aljazeera screenshot doesn’t show the dji article - just a cookie disclosure. Was the ‘ridiculous’ part in the article? Or their saying that the cookie gives “voice to the voiceless”. (Which is funny)
It’s ridiculous that the cookie banner takes that much space. The site is pretty unusable like that.
That's the whole idea, that is should be if not a modal, then like a modal, to get a response from the user before proceeding with the site.
Nothing ridiculous about it (except the GDPR law itself). Many news websites do it even bigger, or hide the whole screen with a modal white overlay.
Re: Pentagon Puts DJI on Blacklist
#29Do other countries put US hardware and software companies on blacklists for their involvement with DoD? If so, then I think quite a few major US tech companies would be unable to do business outside the US and Europe.
They would if the US wasn't more powerful than them, and didn't have them in their pocket.
Re: Pentagon Puts DJI on Blacklist
#30Now if there were any replacement for DJI I'd be happy... their tech stack is weird AF (e.g. you can only view synchronized flightbooks on your DJI RC controller or on the phone if you're using the sticks-only controller but not on the website or the macOS/Windows companion app, the damn expensive DJI RC controller doesn't do HDMI/DP output, the controllers can't be re-used between drone generations, DJI Fly is only…
“ Seriously the EU and US need to step up and establish or at least fund companies that can compete with DJI and other sanctioned entities.” Establishing legible regulations, yes - but why should taxpayers fund drone companies? What is the public benefit in doing so?
The thing is companies in the EU can't use slave workers and there is no access to cheap resources that are mined without regulations and so on.
But, big corporations are allowed to sidestep that by manufacturing in countries that don't care about that and so having huge competitive advantage over potential European manufacturers.
For some reason the EU is not seeking level playing field with China.
Opening tax payer funding for corporations willing to manufacture in the EU is an open season for corruption and display of hypocrisy.