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Valve's latest Steam Deck trailer briefly plugs a Nintendo Switch emulator

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Re: Valve's latest Steam Deck trailer briefly plugs a Nintendo Switch emulator

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While Valve shouldn't have done this, Yuzu (and emulation) is completely legal. Nintendo cant do anything unless they want to go hard against emulation itself which brings us to the same are APIs copyrightable debate.

Emulation has been deemed legal? Since when? You're not paying for the system or the games and playing them freely?

Re: Valve's latest Steam Deck trailer briefly plugs a Nintendo Switch emulator

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And what's the problem exactly? It's just emulation - if anything should cause a stir, it should be nintendo for their anti-consumer behaviour

Exactly. Whats the worst that can happen to valve? Nintendo: "oh no, how dare you show that your product can do something that's perfectly legal and a very common use"

"Portal 3 will not be available on Switch"

Re: Valve's latest Steam Deck trailer briefly plugs a Nintendo Switch emulator

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Because Valve wouldn't want you to emulate Steam games as well (which people do, for online stuff). Valve and Nintendo are on the same side of this.

Pirating games. Valve doesn't care if you play games you buy not on their hardware (being their original business), while Nintendo doesn't want you playing Switch games on a computer even if you bought the game.

Can you play the same game on two devices from the same steam account without hiding offline?

Re: Valve's latest Steam Deck trailer briefly plugs a Nintendo Switch emulator

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post #7

And what's the problem exactly? It's just emulation - if anything should cause a stir, it should be nintendo for their anti-consumer behaviour

That only worked because Nintendo HQ didn't have good visibility of markets outside ground transportation ranges from it.

Re: Valve's latest Steam Deck trailer briefly plugs a Nintendo Switch emulator

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Exactly. Whats the worst that can happen to valve? Nintendo: "oh no, how dare you show that your product can do something that's perfectly legal and a very common use"

"Portal 3 will not be available on Switch"

It's okay it has a 3 in the name, it won't be on steam either

Re: Valve's latest Steam Deck trailer briefly plugs a Nintendo Switch emulator

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post #3

While Valve shouldn't have done this, Yuzu (and emulation) is completely legal. Nintendo cant do anything unless they want to go hard against emulation itself which brings us to the same are APIs copyrightable debate.

Emulation has been deemed legal? Since when? You're not paying for the system or the games and playing them freely?

Since Sony vs. Bleem. Bleem even won a protective order against Sony's public statements.

Re: Valve's latest Steam Deck trailer briefly plugs a Nintendo Switch emulator

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Wait, why should Valve not have done this? I know Nintendo likes to bully smaller folks but it's not like Valve is small or that they rely on keeping good terms with Nintendo, right? Edit: I guess I didn't realize Portal was on Switch.

The more emulation becomes mainstream the more money Nintendo will invest to illegalize it. You cannot legally get roms of commercial games, even if you own the game. Breaking of DRM is automatically copyright infringement according to the DMCA.

If there is a way to make a backup of a game you own while still preserving whatever DRM exists, it would be legal. Like if you had some device that could dump the contents of the Switch cartridge without cracking any DRM, then your backups would be legal. The hard part is that "cracking DRM" could mean anything since it could be construed that any sort of electronic signals between your backup device and the cart that emulates a retail Switch is bypassing DRM. Ripping a CD or making a completely intact copy of retail software are probably the only legitimate backups you can make without technically breaking the law. Really the only "legal" thing you could do with Yuzu is to play homebrew. It would be like owning a really fancy bong in a country where weed is illegal, surely you could put legal tobacco in it but it really works a lot better with weed.

Re: Valve's latest Steam Deck trailer briefly plugs a Nintendo Switch emulator

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post #3

While Valve shouldn't have done this, Yuzu (and emulation) is completely legal. Nintendo cant do anything unless they want to go hard against emulation itself which brings us to the same are APIs copyrightable debate.

Emulation has been deemed legal? Since when? You're not paying for the system or the games and playing them freely?

what has emulation got to do with not paying for the games?

Re: Valve's latest Steam Deck trailer briefly plugs a Nintendo Switch emulator

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wait, why should Valve not have done this? I know Nintendo likes to bully smaller folks but it's not like Valve is small or that they rely on keeping good terms with Nintendo, right? Edit: I guess I didn't realize Portal was on Switch.

The more emulation becomes mainstream the more money Nintendo will invest to illegalize it. You cannot legally get roms of commercial games, even if you own the game. Breaking of DRM is automatically copyright infringement according to the DMCA.

I will admit that I am mildly concerned with this myself. I dislike that everywhere now there are youtube videos showing off how you can make play Switch games, but on Deck. We are effectively forcing Nintendo's hands. While it was a niche thing, they mostly didn't have to care and now they might have to..

Things MAY work out to the benefit of regular users ( though often they work out to the benefit of those with best lawyers ). All I am saying is, if push comes to shove, as much as I would like to believe Gabe will actually fight this should Nintendo go after them somehow ( and I will actually spend money on Steam to fund it if needed ), it would have been so much better if it stayed a hobbyist thing.

Edit: And for the record. I love my Deck. I love that in the sea of closed off crap, Steam made it all this magic come together.

Re: Valve's latest Steam Deck trailer briefly plugs a Nintendo Switch emulator

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post #3

While Valve shouldn't have done this, Yuzu (and emulation) is completely legal. Nintendo cant do anything unless they want to go hard against emulation itself which brings us to the same are APIs copyrightable debate.

Emulation has been deemed legal? Since when? You're not paying for the system or the games and playing them freely?

Emulation is legal. Freely sharing roms of copyrighted content isn't. You can dump a cartridge you own and emulate it on a device you own.
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