The US has a massive budget for regime change, both overt and covert, and has for almost 7 decades. And we wonder why right wing politics seems to be flourishing?
Operation Gladio
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#22gladio never stopped, it just came home
you say lone wolf mass shooter, i say domestic gladio.
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#23If you are wondering how it got so far off the rails, then look no further than the fact that they hired, trained, and equipped former Nazi SS officers. Not Wehrmacht grunts. Nor enlisted SS grunts. But SS officers. Less than three years after the Nuremberg trials. The trials where a sitting Supreme Court justice took time off to act as Chief Prosecutor on behalf of the US to condemn their bosses to death. They did i…
>The CIA has an uncanny talent for arming and training future and former enemies of the US and most of the world. The CIA? More like the USA… They saved the Soviets from collapse via Lend-Lease. They made communist China a global superpower with decades of outsourced manufacturing.
Preserving Soviet Union was unfortunate, but leaving the whole of Europe and most of Asia to Hitler was even worse. That would put the US homeland in direct danger of a major war.
Policies of Deng Xiaoping in 1980s and 1990s looked much softer and promising than the current regime under Xi Jinping. The Tiananmen Square massacre should have been a warning, though. The Chinese played their growing economy card expertly, even more powerfully than the Japanese in 1960-70s.
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#24For “in case of soviet invasion break glass” cases you would’ve wanted a contingency like this, could just do without literal nazis, war criminals (plenty of opportunities for that once the soviets invaded, I imagine) and terrorists. Oh and maybe manage to keep it secret from the enemy, Germany. JFC sometimes I wonder if there is anything German security services don’t fuck up, the distrust from NATO allies is and wa…
Seeing this pattern come up so many times, working with the most extreme elements of a country, it appears deliberate. I imagine we picked it up from the British, and other imperial powers.
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#25Little domino tile: following the end of WWII, the US installs terrorist cells in Europe in fear of a communist takeover Big domino tile: Silvio Berlusconi becomes prime minister of Italy in 1994
Silvio is also tied to the P2 lodge, right?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propaganda_Due
Usually one doesn't have to go very deep into secret societies and political ties before landing on the actual and often-memed-about Freemasons. This variant of the story ties nicely with Gladio, Italian intelligence and secret services, politics, far right groups and mysterious deaths in the 70s and 80s. Oh, and of course Silvio Berlusconi.
P2 is the Italian version of the 9/11 conspiracy theories. Not saying it's bollocks, just wanting to point out how widespread it is in Italy, but I don't think it's very well known outside of it.
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#26Earlier quoted context omitted.
>The CIA has an uncanny talent for arming and training future and former enemies of the US and most of the world. The CIA? More like the USA… They saved the Soviets from collapse via Lend-Lease. They made communist China a global superpower with decades of outsourced manufacturing.
Preserving Soviet Union was unfortunate, but leaving the whole of Europe and most of Asia to Hitler was even worse. That would put the US homeland in direct danger of a major war. Policies of Deng Xiaoping in 1980s and 1990s looked much softer and promising than the current regime under Xi Jinping. The Tiananmen Square massacre should have been a warning, though. The Chinese played their growing economy card expertly…
> Preserving Soviet Union was unfortunate
I wonder how things might have turned out differently had we not immediately betrayed them after WWII.
Without constant threat of annihilation, they could have diverted funds away from military spending and towards productive uses, possibly also loosening their grip on power. It didn't help that non-authoritarian left governments, sometimes as mild as Bernie Sanders, were easily overthrown by the CIA.
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#27The US has a massive budget for regime change, both overt and covert, and has for almost 7 decades. And we wonder why right wing politics seems to be flourishing?
Let's not forget financing the sicilian mafia to keep the farmers at bay.
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#28Earlier quoted context omitted.
>The CIA has an uncanny talent for arming and training future and former enemies of the US and most of the world. The CIA? More like the USA… They saved the Soviets from collapse via Lend-Lease. They made communist China a global superpower with decades of outsourced manufacturing.
Preserving Soviet Union was unfortunate, but leaving the whole of Europe and most of Asia to Hitler was even worse. That would put the US homeland in direct danger of a major war. Policies of Deng Xiaoping in 1980s and 1990s looked much softer and promising than the current regime under Xi Jinping. The Tiananmen Square massacre should have been a warning, though. The Chinese played their growing economy card expertly…
It has never made sense to me why Anglos allied with the Communists. It seems to me the Communists wanted Global Communism, while Hitler wanted a larger Germany.
America shouldn’t have allied with either of them. We are complicit to Soviet crimes as a nation.
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#29Earlier quoted context omitted.
Preserving Soviet Union was unfortunate, but leaving the whole of Europe and most of Asia to Hitler was even worse. That would put the US homeland in direct danger of a major war. Policies of Deng Xiaoping in 1980s and 1990s looked much softer and promising than the current regime under Xi Jinping. The Tiananmen Square massacre should have been a warning, though. The Chinese played their growing economy card expertly…
It has never made sense to me why Anglos allied with the Communists. It seems to me the Communists wanted Global Communism, while Hitler wanted a larger Germany. America shouldn’t have allied with either of them. We are complicit to Soviet crimes as a nation.
> while Hitler wanted a larger Germany.
I’ll take ridiculous oversimplifications for $200
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#30Earlier quoted context omitted.
It has never made sense to me why Anglos allied with the Communists. It seems to me the Communists wanted Global Communism, while Hitler wanted a larger Germany. America shouldn’t have allied with either of them. We are complicit to Soviet crimes as a nation.
> while Hitler wanted a larger Germany. I’ll take ridiculous oversimplifications for $200
I always thought Lebensraum and Generalplan Ost where mild euphemisms for industrial genocide...but "bigger Germany" makes them sound downright malicious in comparison. All Hitler wanted was a "bigger Germany", nbd. Save for the work of making room through ethnic cleansing.