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USB kills off SuperSpeed branding

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Re: USB kills off SuperSpeed branding

#21

At this point USB might as well auction their branding rights like sports stadiums: - USB Coke Zero - USB House of Dragon streaming exclusively on HBO - USB Crypto.com Consumers, Devices, and cables could continue ignoring it all but at least the consortium could have a new revenue stream.

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Re: USB kills off SuperSpeed branding

#22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

See also: high definition TV

Am I right in thinking that 4K and 8K are UHD 4K and UHD 8K? I guess this debacle goes even further back with VHF and UHF. Why do we insist on using such words when they don't clearly have an order? Is "very" larger than "ultra" and where would "super" fit in there?

Usable frequency is just on one axis, and is bound by the physical properties of the atmosphere, so there is at least a limit.

Re: USB kills off SuperSpeed branding

#23
post #4

The whole concept of "SuperSpeed" made it more difficult to understand what was going on, so I'm very glad to see it go. A rare hiccup in the USB consortium's otherwise unbroken streak of making each generation more difficult to understand. The all-time prize has to go to the German wine producers, though, who regard a wine named "2001 Selbach-Oster Wehlener Sonnenheur Riesling Spaetlese Feinherb" as very precise and…

I think that's fine, every word carries actual information, though not speaking German will render the last two words useless and not being well versed in German wines will do the same to a few words at the start, so perhaps the only universally understood tokens are 2001 and Riesling (and perhaps not even Riesling?)

However, there are lots of laws called things like Rindfleischetikettierungsüberwachungsaufgabenübertragungsgesetz and I don't know which level of German language proficiency you need to be able to read that fluently, but probably one of the higher ones. Even native speakers sometimes struggle with lengthy concatenations and I feel that German legalese is a whole different level of crazy. So perhaps the crown for the most opaque naming scheme should go to the German Bundestag?

Re: USB kills off SuperSpeed branding

#24

So if I've got two computers, each with a port labelled 40 Gbps and a USB cable labelled 40 Gbps, what's the protocol I can use to copy files at close to that? FWIW I used to run PLIP back in the nineties (IP over parallel port) to share my dialup Internet connection between my desktop and "laptop", so I'm not afraid of anything.

https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-hardware/design/co...

> the Ethernet over USB4 interdomain protocol, also known as USB4NET enables two USB4 PCs to establish a network connection between each other when connected using a USB4 cable, akin to connecting an ethernet cable between network cards on two PCs.

I wrote about this a month ago at https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32714807 it gets confusing because the USB4 protocol uses the word "routers" for hosts, devices, hubs which of course is used by Ethernet for something totally else.

Re: USB kills off SuperSpeed branding

#25
I think the IEEE got it right with their Ethernet standards:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethernet_physical_layer#Naming...

The newer USB transfer speeds are basically using the same sort of line code as the Ethernet standards anyway. So doing something similar with USB would result in...

    1.5BASE-UT (USB 1.1)
    12BASE-UT (USB 2.0 FS)
    480BASE-UT (USB 2.0 HS)
    5000BASE-UT (USB 3.0 / 3.1 Gen 1 / 3.2 Gen 1)
    10GBASE-UT (USB 3.1 Gen 2 / 3.2 Gen 2)
    10GBASE-UT2 (USB 3.2 Gen 1 x2)
    20GBASE-UT2 (USB 3.2 Gen 2 x2)
Better? Worse?

Re: USB kills off SuperSpeed branding

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post #4

The whole concept of "SuperSpeed" made it more difficult to understand what was going on, so I'm very glad to see it go. A rare hiccup in the USB consortium's otherwise unbroken streak of making each generation more difficult to understand. The all-time prize has to go to the German wine producers, though, who regard a wine named "2001 Selbach-Oster Wehlener Sonnenheur Riesling Spaetlese Feinherb" as very precise and…

> 2001 Selbach-Oster Wehlener Sonnenheur Riesling Spaetlese Feinherb It is a dry (feinherb) white (Riesling is a white wine berry variety) wine that has been harvested late in the season (Spätlese), making it have a higher alcohol level. Wehlener Sonnenheur is a geographical vineyard location (should probably read Wehlener Sonnenuhr, which is semi-famous and located at the Mosel, near Bernkastel), Selbach-Oster is th…

I suppose the OP wasn't being sarcastic, despite (I agree) it reading as such.

Re: USB kills off SuperSpeed branding

#27
post #4

The whole concept of "SuperSpeed" made it more difficult to understand what was going on, so I'm very glad to see it go. A rare hiccup in the USB consortium's otherwise unbroken streak of making each generation more difficult to understand. The all-time prize has to go to the German wine producers, though, who regard a wine named "2001 Selbach-Oster Wehlener Sonnenheur Riesling Spaetlese Feinherb" as very precise and…

> 2001 Selbach-Oster Wehlener Sonnenheur Riesling Spaetlese Feinherb It is a dry (feinherb) white (Riesling is a white wine berry variety) wine that has been harvested late in the season (Spätlese), making it have a higher alcohol level. Wehlener Sonnenheur is a geographical vineyard location (should probably read Wehlener Sonnenuhr, which is semi-famous and located at the Mosel, near Bernkastel), Selbach-Oster is th…

Most of those characteristics actually seem par for the course even in the US. For instance, Trader Joe's sells an in-house "Trader Joe's Reserve Merlot Sonoma Valley 2020" [0].

At a bare minimum, you'll get vintage (year), winemaker, and grape varietal, possibly with some additional qualifiers, e.g. Reserve as above, or late-harvest. Riesling in particular is such a widely used grape that can be either dry or sweet, so breaking out "dry Riesling" is not atypical.

[0] https://www.traderjoes.com/home/products/pdp/reserve-merlot-...

Re: USB kills off SuperSpeed branding

#28

At this point USB might as well auction their branding rights like sports stadiums: - USB Coke Zero - USB House of Dragon streaming exclusively on HBO - USB Crypto.com Consumers, Devices, and cables could continue ignoring it all but at least the consortium could have a new revenue stream.

Pepsi Presents: HDMI 3.0. With the most refreshing refresh rate ever.

If it doesn’t have any optional features, I’d take that in a heartbeat.

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Re: USB kills off SuperSpeed branding

#29
post #24

So if I've got two computers, each with a port labelled 40 Gbps and a USB cable labelled 40 Gbps, what's the protocol I can use to copy files at close to that? FWIW I used to run PLIP back in the nineties (IP over parallel port) to share my dialup Internet connection between my desktop and "laptop", so I'm not afraid of anything.

https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-hardware/design/co... > the Ethernet over USB4 interdomain protocol, also known as USB4NET enables two USB4 PCs to establish a network connection between each other when connected using a USB4 cable, akin to connecting an ethernet cable between network cards on two PCs. I wrote about this a month ago at https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32714807 it gets confusing because t…

Ah I missed it, TYVM! It's great to see that such a feature made it into USB4 now that it's going to reach these speeds.

> I do not quite know what happens if you were to plug three hosts together via a USB4 hub. As my post above details, USB4NET properly travels over the hub but which hosts pair, I can't even guess.

Can't wait to see people trying this and reporting!

Re: USB kills off SuperSpeed branding

#30
This is still ridiculous. The USB certified logo should be one image, then a similar sized wattage and Gbps number displayed next to it. The pertinent information is still too tiny. The cables themselves are still way too easy to mix up. Connector's inner plastic should have different colors
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