CyanogenMod is only part of the solution: It still requires a proprietary radio stack for each phone and there is plenty of backdoor stuff someone could put into the radio code.
CyanogenMod will never have Carrier IQ
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Re: CyanogenMod will never have Carrier IQ
#22Earlier quoted context omitted.
But how did you feel about all those strange programs you had to use to get root to install it? Because when I went through the process I was extremely nervous - even though most of the code is open source, how would you spot a backdoor if it was buried within a line? The ability to have root from the factory on a device you own should be a consumer's right in the states, just like getting your carrier unlock code.
Can't agree more with "The ability to have root from the factory on a device you own should be a consumer's right in the states, just like getting your carrier unlock code." but please remove "in the states". When buying a computer, desktop or laptop, I would be extremely disappointed if I discover that I don't have the full ownership represented by "root access". When buying a car, don't we get the keys of the doors…
I added "in the states" because I assumed Canada/Europe/etc. had far more sane laws about this already, but I admit I am ignorant as to if this is actually true or not.
Re: CyanogenMod will never have Carrier IQ
#23Nice, but end users shouldn't have to root their phones and install a new OS just to not have all their data logged and reported on.
Not sure what you're calling out here. That end users have to root their phones in order to avoid something undesirable is not something that CyanogenMod can respond to. All the alternative firmware provides is a way to avoid something that is otherwise forced on you, and CyanogenMod is pointing out that it's offering that alternative.
I'm going to guess that the parent is calling out one of the standard geek fallacies, that being "Well, I made/found/installed a workaround for my device, and everyone else could do it. Problem solved."
It's a fallacy because not everyone has the technical skill to do it, and the amount of people who do have the technical skill are (I'm guessing, but I don't think I'm wrong) statistically insignificant next to the amount of people who don't.
So, the overall problem isn't solved, and the people who have the technical wherewithal to actually speak out about it as technical experts are, by and large, sitting in a corner with CM7 and saying "All good over here."
Re: CyanogenMod will never have Carrier IQ
#24Earlier quoted context omitted.
But how did you feel about all those strange programs you had to use to get root to install it? Because when I went through the process I was extremely nervous - even though most of the code is open source, how would you spot a backdoor if it was buried within a line? The ability to have root from the factory on a device you own should be a consumer's right in the states, just like getting your carrier unlock code.
Can't agree more with "The ability to have root from the factory on a device you own should be a consumer's right in the states, just like getting your carrier unlock code." but please remove "in the states". When buying a computer, desktop or laptop, I would be extremely disappointed if I discover that I don't have the full ownership represented by "root access". When buying a car, don't we get the keys of the doors…
> When buying a car, don't we get the keys of the doors and a way to open the front cover where the engine lies?
You don't get the "keys" for ECU, unfortunately.
Re: CyanogenMod will never have Carrier IQ
#25This post seems a bit too proud of itself. Love the first comment in the article though:
"Here is a list of stuff that tracks you installed on the page talking about how cyanogen will never track you. Note you need not interact with any of these to be tracked. Just browse the page you're reading.
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Not saying cyanogen is evil, or that these are unusual or unreasonable, or even missing the point about how carrier bloatware will inevitably lead to truly evil things like Carrier IQ. It's hard to get away from this kind of crap these days. The irony just struck me, that's all."
Re: CyanogenMod will never have Carrier IQ
#26Nice, but end users shouldn't have to root their phones and install a new OS just to not have all their data logged and reported on.
I've been hearing some rumours of OEMs considering releasing phones with CM installed by default. They're definitely starting to actively support development (I think both Samsung and Ericcson have been providing devices, and the latter have definitely been hinting at providing much more support).
Re: CyanogenMod will never have Carrier IQ
#27Of course they don't. But they do have CMStats (http://www.cyanogenmod.com/blog/cmstats-what-it-is-and-why-y...). While it is much better than Carrier IQ (less intrusive and prompts you to opt out on install), it still proves this info has value and even the most "fight the man", dogmatic open source project wants it.
Re: CyanogenMod will never have Carrier IQ
#28Earlier quoted context omitted.
Can't agree more with "The ability to have root from the factory on a device you own should be a consumer's right in the states, just like getting your carrier unlock code." but please remove "in the states". When buying a computer, desktop or laptop, I would be extremely disappointed if I discover that I don't have the full ownership represented by "root access". When buying a car, don't we get the keys of the doors…
> When buying a car, don't we get the keys of the doors and a way to open the front cover where the engine lies? You don't get the "keys" for ECU, unfortunately.
Cars to computers always seems to be a poor analogy. But you can replace the ECU with one of your choice. In fact, there is an industry designed specifically for getting better performance from your car by customizing the ECU.
Isn't this the same thing as the Cyanogen mod?
Re: CyanogenMod will never have Carrier IQ
#29CyanogenMod is only part of the solution: It still requires a proprietary radio stack for each phone and there is plenty of backdoor stuff someone could put into the radio code.
Also! CPU microcode and "Reflections on Trusting Trust"!
Re: CyanogenMod will never have Carrier IQ
#30Earlier quoted context omitted.
But how did you feel about all those strange programs you had to use to get root to install it? Because when I went through the process I was extremely nervous - even though most of the code is open source, how would you spot a backdoor if it was buried within a line? The ability to have root from the factory on a device you own should be a consumer's right in the states, just like getting your carrier unlock code.
Can't agree more with "The ability to have root from the factory on a device you own should be a consumer's right in the states, just like getting your carrier unlock code." but please remove "in the states". When buying a computer, desktop or laptop, I would be extremely disappointed if I discover that I don't have the full ownership represented by "root access". When buying a car, don't we get the keys of the doors…
I don't understand why our expectations with mobile phones should be any different.
The vast majority of people receive their cellphones under subsidy- signing up for a cellphone contract and getting a discounted price. In effect, you don't "own" the phone until the end of that contract, because they could (in theory?) take that phone away from you if you stopped paying every month.
Now, I'm not saying I agree with the line of thought but it's there. At the very least there should be the ability to root your phone after contract, or whenever you want if you buy the phone full price. Sadly, that doesn't happen often. But when I bought my Nexus One outright, it was very simple to root it.