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Intel announces new FPGA families
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#22Anyone able to give a rough estimate of how much one of the FPGAs with R-Tile would cost per device for a small order (1-5)? 1k, 10k, 100k? Are they likely to be available any time soon?
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#23Earlier quoted context omitted.
Raspberry Pis too. The shortage feels targeted. Or I’m just being an idiot as always.
This is the official statement of the Raspberry Pi Foundation on this topic: > https://www.raspberrypi.com/news/production-and-supply-chain... Excerpt: "As we’ve said before, the current situation is as much a demand shock as a supply shock: demand for Raspberry Pi products increased sharply from the start of 2021 onwards, and supply constraints have prevented us from flexing up to meet this demand, with the result t…
The fact that they are shipping new PCB revisions of their boards with alternative components (like different PMICs) supports the claim that (at least) part of the shortage was due to supply problems.
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#24Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yes, but that's not the problem. The problem is these Agilex devices are insane overkill for that task, and you likely won't be able to buy the SKUs in a reasonable form factor or price for that use case. The Mister worked so well because the actual design of the device has the right blend of peripherals/compute and Intel/terASIC ate the NRE to design and manufacture it, and that's because they intended it use it to…
You would easily eventually get into volumes of 2-3 million a year if you could get something out which is powerful enough for PS2 level re-creation. The MiSTER project is already inspiring a generation to learn how to program FPGAs, those skills could be applied to improve performance in a lot of applications.
I'd like to know how many MiSTer owners there are in the world.
Part of me wants to say it's a lot, and part of me wants to say that the retro gaming community is peanuts compared to other FPGA consumers.
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I wonder if the war has anything to do with this actually. These chips and some larger STM32 like F7 and H7 are dual use and can be used in missiles and drones. I couldn't buy the car manufacturers' excuse. I think MICs around the world have been stockpiling these chips.
I was working for a customer (medical) last 12 months with a Zynq design. I remember at the time the distributor specifically saying they were being instructed to give priority to US companies on their stock as it arrived (I assume defense). They had to have a meeting with higher uppers at the distributor to scramble about 200 pieces industrial grade from them (that was basically a year's worth of production for that…
Situation is dire even for contractors unless your product is already in production and has somebody on the government side advocating for you.
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#26The Intel Direct RF FPGAs are pretty spectacular. They report 64GSPS and 25GHz instantaneous bandwidth directly into FPGA fabric (no JESD) which greatly exceeds any other competitors’ IC offerings on the market. I wonder what they will cost: if their high-end 8ch device is <$16K then they will annihilate the competition (I’m able to get $2K per channel for large multichannel direct RF systems 1Ghz instantaneous all the way up to x-band)
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#27Earlier quoted context omitted.
did you really mean 25% faster or 4x faster? If you really meant 25% you probably were not reffering to the clock speed/MHz, what were referring to?
I did mean 25% faster, though it was a guesstimate. That was comparing Agilex to Agilex D, not Cyclone V to Agilex D. FPGA logic in simple terms consists of LUTs (look up tables, used to implement gates) and registers. The LUTs can be chained several times until they connect to a register. Registers are clocked at a frequency. Now the max frequency is calculated using the maximum time from a register output, through…
Would a Xilinx-based equivalent to MiSTer hardware have a better price-to-performance ratio?
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#28That's some news because Intel hadn't in a while.
But IMHO this is is far more interesting:
https://hardwarebee.com/gowin-semiconductor-new-22nm-high-pe...
This is a real contender from China. Not just some new cheap chip, but actually competitive with Intel/Lattice/Xilinx offerings.
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#29I'll avoid these chips merely because they don't have support in the Open Source FPGA stack (yosys/nextpnr), whereas other chips do.
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#30Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yes, but that's not the problem. The problem is these Agilex devices are insane overkill for that task, and you likely won't be able to buy the SKUs in a reasonable form factor or price for that use case. The Mister worked so well because the actual design of the device has the right blend of peripherals/compute and Intel/terASIC ate the NRE to design and manufacture it, and that's because they intended it use it to…
You would easily eventually get into volumes of 2-3 million a year if you could get something out which is powerful enough for PS2 level re-creation. The MiSTER project is already inspiring a generation to learn how to program FPGAs, those skills could be applied to improve performance in a lot of applications.
Yes, but recreating the PS2 is an order of magnitude more complicated than a PS1, which is still a massive undertaking for an individual. Even supposing we had a cheap enough FPGA, who would write the HDL to simulate a PS2?