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Explosive Laden Drone Found Near Nord Stream Pipeline (2015)

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Re: Explosive Laden Drone Found Near Nord Stream Pipeline (2015)

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Sometimes you need to hear the other party’s newsfeed. Tucker Carlson breaks it down: https://twitter.com/columbiabugle/status/1574921923624058887... Excerpt 6min: “One way or another Nordstream 2 will not proceed”

Even the flipping Germans were saying NordStream 2 is dead. This was Scholz in August: “we ended the approval process for good reason.” Tucker is pretending this is a smoking gun when the reality is, the US and Germany had a political agreement wherein the US agreed to lift sanctions on NordStream 2 in 2021 so long as Germany agreed that further Russian aggression would prompt re-evaluation. This was reported months…

>Even the flipping Germans were saying NordStream 2 is dead. This was Scholz in August: “we ended the approval process for good reason.”

The same Germans who said they were shuttering all their nuclear plants until reality changed and they weren't. Tucker Carlson and partisan politics completely aside, only a fool believes anything any politician ever says. Politicians speak out of the desire to gain votes, the desire to gain donations, the desire to gain legal bribes from lobbyists, the desire to gain support (and avoid opposition) from intelligence agencies (primarily the CIA), the desire to gain favor among other perceived powerful interests and the desire to gain positive coverage from the most powerful media outlets (especially those dominant among their respective political constituency). The realities on the ground dictate what happens, and the reality now is that someone blew up the pipeline.

Re: Explosive Laden Drone Found Near Nord Stream Pipeline (2015)

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News and reports are always making sure to frame it in certain ways. They can't say "perhaps sabotage" because then fingers will start pointing and everything gets on edge. News is full of "it's just a coincidence, look away" -- speculating is fun, but don't be a conspiracy theorist. Always listen to approved, fact-checked news sources. They'll tell you what to think. And in this case you need to look at this as anyt…

Sometimes you need to hear the other party’s newsfeed. Tucker Carlson breaks it down: https://twitter.com/columbiabugle/status/1574921923624058887... Excerpt 6min: “One way or another Nordstream 2 will not proceed”

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Re: Explosive Laden Drone Found Near Nord Stream Pipeline (2015)

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"Ruling out sabotage" How is that just dropped in there without any explanation of an innocuous purpose of an explosive laden drone?

There are a lot of unexploded mines and other ordnance around in the Baltic, I think it's actually very common to use these sorts of drones for minesweeping.

That’s exactly what it was, https://www.forsvarsmakten.se/sv/aktuellt/2015/11/analysen-a...

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seafox_drone

Re: Explosive Laden Drone Found Near Nord Stream Pipeline (2015)

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post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Even the flipping Germans were saying NordStream 2 is dead. This was Scholz in August: “we ended the approval process for good reason.” Tucker is pretending this is a smoking gun when the reality is, the US and Germany had a political agreement wherein the US agreed to lift sanctions on NordStream 2 in 2021 so long as Germany agreed that further Russian aggression would prompt re-evaluation. This was reported months…

>Even the flipping Germans were saying NordStream 2 is dead. This was Scholz in August: “we ended the approval process for good reason.” The same Germans who said they were shuttering all their nuclear plants until reality changed and they weren't. Tucker Carlson and partisan politics completely aside, only a fool believes anything any politician ever says. Politicians speak out of the desire to gain votes, the desir…

Newsflash: the Germans are still shuttering their nuclear plants! They merely extended 2 of the 3 still operating plants for a few more months (until mid April 2023), I guess because that's how long they can operate with the existing fuel rods - Either at continuously diminishing output, or they reduce output now so the power can be used should it be necessary during the winter months. For anything more, they would need to source new fuel rods from somewhere, and there the dominating player is, wait for it, also Russia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosatom). So: don't trust what politicians say, but also take what journalists (all journalists, not just the likes of Tucker Carlson) say/write with a big grain of salt...

Re: Explosive Laden Drone Found Near Nord Stream Pipeline (2015)

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Explosives are widely used in mining, but I don't know if anybody uses them for undersea mining. Drones seem like they would be a good way to do undersea mining: greatly reduce the death toll, avoid all the decompression sickness, and maybe use less energy?

"Undersea mining" is mostly scooping up mineralized stuff ("Manganese Nodules") using a dredge-like apparatus. To my knowledge, nobody uses explosives for that style of mining, and undersea mining is relatively rare anyway. (I used to work at the research end of the Australian mining industry.)

Diamond mining off the Namibian coast is similar, it's just a giant underwater vacuum cleaner.

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Sensational? This was found to be a lost Swedish military training drone. https://www-forsvarsmakten-se.translate.goog/sv/aktuellt/201...

The automated translation of that article turned out a little bizarre. This is the automatically translated version:

> The analysis shows that it is a Swedish remote-controlled craft (Seafox) that the Norwegian Armed Forces use to detect, for example, minors.

Not only does this translation fumble the translation of the word "naval mines", which amusingly becomes "minors", but it also somewhat surprisingly changes the nationality of the military power involved.

The correct translation should be:

> The analysis shows that it is a Swedish remote-controlled craft (Seafox) that the Swedish Armed Forces use to detect, for example, naval mines.

Re: Explosive Laden Drone Found Near Nord Stream Pipeline (2015)

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post #4

"Ruling out sabotage" How is that just dropped in there without any explanation of an innocuous purpose of an explosive laden drone?

There are a lot of unexploded mines and other ordnance around in the Baltic, I think it's actually very common to use these sorts of drones for minesweeping.

Fun fact: The best naval ordonance disposal teams are from the Baltic states. The difuse more live ordonance, from WW1 and WW2 in a week than the US counter parts see in training, non-live ordonance in a year (might also be in a month, they diffuse a ton so. Similar to all the civil ordonance disposal companies we have in Germany, albeith the Baltic divers work under much more dangerous conditions).

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post #25

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>Even the flipping Germans were saying NordStream 2 is dead. This was Scholz in August: “we ended the approval process for good reason.” The same Germans who said they were shuttering all their nuclear plants until reality changed and they weren't. Tucker Carlson and partisan politics completely aside, only a fool believes anything any politician ever says. Politicians speak out of the desire to gain votes, the desir…

Newsflash: the Germans are still shuttering their nuclear plants! They merely extended 2 of the 3 still operating plants for a few more months (until mid April 2023), I guess because that's how long they can operate with the existing fuel rods - Either at continuously diminishing output, or they reduce output now so the power can be used should it be necessary during the winter months. For anything more, they would n…

> but also take what journalists write with a big grain of salt...

If he ever was, Tucker Carlson is not a journalist (reporter). He's a political narrator and host of a television show.

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