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Re: iPhone = Privacy?

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Post by CharlesW »

Algent wrote: post #6

> When you put your phone in airplane mode, you are simply telling your phone's OS to stop using the mobile network. The baseband system is still on and can be pinged by the mobile network. I just started reading and there is already a sentence I don't believe very much, even less as a generalization. Does anyone here have a basis that could explain this bold statement ?

> Does anyone here have a basis that could explain this bold statement ?

It's just wrong. On iPhones, Airplane Mode turns off all radios except Bluetooth.

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Post by russianGuy83829 »

> Another innovation announced yesterday for the iPhone 14 event was Satellite communication. Apple is now able to locate an iPhone anywhere in the world (where it would require connectivity to the mobile network, Wifi, or another device before.

Thats just plain wrong. Poorly researched article.

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Post by amelius »

hardnose wrote: post #14

Apple seems to prioritize privacy more than the competition, while for Google collecting, and combing through to monetize, your personal data is a big part of their business model. Much of this criticism seems misplaced or invalid. Apple tracks your IMEI? Well, sure, unless you choose otherwise, and they've given you a convenient place to turn off. Apple chipsets track your location down to the meter? Well, yes, that…

> Apple seems to prioritize privacy more than the competition, while for Google collecting, and combing through to monetize, your personal data is a big part of their business model.

My TV also doesn't have data as its main business model, however ... it still collects data on me.

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Post by shadowgovt »

hardnose wrote: post #14

Apple seems to prioritize privacy more than the competition, while for Google collecting, and combing through to monetize, your personal data is a big part of their business model. Much of this criticism seems misplaced or invalid. Apple tracks your IMEI? Well, sure, unless you choose otherwise, and they've given you a convenient place to turn off. Apple chipsets track your location down to the meter? Well, yes, that…

This is all reasoning we heard in the past to defend Google.

With Google, it was all true and still is...

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Post by falcolas »

hardnose wrote: post #14

Apple seems to prioritize privacy more than the competition, while for Google collecting, and combing through to monetize, your personal data is a big part of their business model. Much of this criticism seems misplaced or invalid. Apple tracks your IMEI? Well, sure, unless you choose otherwise, and they've given you a convenient place to turn off. Apple chipsets track your location down to the meter? Well, yes, that…

> has any real world privacy problem ever occurred because of this

Yes. People who don't quite understand how Siri works will divulge a lot of personal information. There's many stories from workers at these third parties about how much intimate detail they've heard when listening to these clips.

Now, that said, Google and Amazon do this too. It's truly a strike against all providers.

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Post by judge2020 »

hardnose wrote: post #14

Apple seems to prioritize privacy more than the competition, while for Google collecting, and combing through to monetize, your personal data is a big part of their business model. Much of this criticism seems misplaced or invalid. Apple tracks your IMEI? Well, sure, unless you choose otherwise, and they've given you a convenient place to turn off. Apple chipsets track your location down to the meter? Well, yes, that…

> The only one I agree on is the image scanning for CSAM. The idea of a device I own acting as a state informer using AI to detect what it thinks is a crime is not my idea of a step forward.

The likely reasoning behind this, although unspoken, was to (at some point in the future) enable E2EE for iCloud Photos. Currently, Apple doesn't do nearly any CSAM scanning on iCloud Photos[0], so the FBI et al. are pushing for them to change that - instead of licensing PhotoDNA, they tried to create something that would keep image data out of their hands while not further enabling CSAM distributors.

0: "According to NMEC, Apple submitted 205 reports in 2019 (a third my my reporting volume). Apple increased a little, to 265 in 2020, but then dropped in 2021 to only 160 reports. That's nearly a 22% decrease over two years!" https://www.hackerfactor.com/blog/index.php?/archives/955-NC...

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Post by zimpenfish »

I like how "First, it generates a lot of false positives" is linked to an article about Google, not Apple, scanning cloud photos, not on-device, and it was only a false positive in the intent of the photos - the actual photos (of a child's penis) are exactly what should be flagged, no?

(Human review with explanation and consultation with the doctor / police should have led to "ok, false positive this time".)

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Post by restore_creole_ »

hardnose wrote: post #14

Apple seems to prioritize privacy more than the competition, while for Google collecting, and combing through to monetize, your personal data is a big part of their business model. Much of this criticism seems misplaced or invalid. Apple tracks your IMEI? Well, sure, unless you choose otherwise, and they've given you a convenient place to turn off. Apple chipsets track your location down to the meter? Well, yes, that…

> Apple ad exec wants to more than double ad revenue with new ads across iOS

https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2022/08/report-apple-is-expl...

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Post by olivierestsage »

amelius wrote: post #23
hardnose wrote: post #14

Apple seems to prioritize privacy more than the competition, while for Google collecting, and combing through to monetize, your personal data is a big part of their business model. Much of this criticism seems misplaced or invalid. Apple tracks your IMEI? Well, sure, unless you choose otherwise, and they've given you a convenient place to turn off. Apple chipsets track your location down to the meter? Well, yes, that…

> Apple seems to prioritize privacy more than the competition, while for Google collecting, and combing through to monetize, your personal data is a big part of their business model. My TV also doesn't have data as its main business model, however ... it still collects data on me.

The cost of TVs is now heavily subsidized by the data-mining, though, whereas I don't see much evidence that's the case for Apple products, whatever their other problems (if such evidence does exist, I'd be interested to see it).

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Post by esotericimpl »

matai_kolila wrote: post #20

> Thus, anyone who has access to your iCloud account, whether it be a hacker, an Apple employee, or a government agency, has also access to that data. Lost a lot of credibility here by including Apple employees, as that’s not a thing. Honestly this just reads as a bunch if FUD for what appears to be no reason. There’s no new info, no new perspective, no attempt at fair explanation of why those things might actually b…

Honestly would an apple employee be able to access my icloud account? I understand that the icloud data is encrypted in the cloud and the decryption key is part of signing onto icloud via 2 factor to authorize the device.

Would an apple employee be able to view icloud without the 2nd factor to pull down the decryption key?

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