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Biogen agrees to pay $900M to settle drug kickbacks allegations

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Re: Biogen agrees to pay $900M to settle drug kickbacks allegations

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Anyone going to jail? Money means nothing if they get charged a fraction of what they made in profits...

So in fact, when a corporation does something disgustingly criminal, like Abbott did to me twice, with Depakote and Clozapine, second time I was wise to their shit, dodged their shit, they sell shit, they're shit salesmen. Door to door. Knock knock who's there? A shit salesman. A shit salesman who? Abbott, we're doing another round poisoning you in a way that we know is wrong but will not be provable for 8 years, you want this? You have to swallow every single time if you consent! And by the way, you can't get eat enough to not lose weight (at a waist size 32) until you consent, we'll ask you 70 times, and if not you're on the street! Remember, always swallow because we have a swallowing fetish. So legally you're always allowed to dodge, the swallowing fetish is because it's an experiment on dosing 100% of a group, in this case a rehab, diametrically against their will and obviously against their interest. It's a "fuck the Law" context. A preparation for rehab, see what the objections were and how to overcome them. I said fetish for swallowing, that's literally what it is. They aren't legally allowed any any of the shit they do, at Clinica Rayencura, like dude saw them bribing police, whatever the fuck. Police hanging out, getting bribed, just hanging out, because they chased "fugitives" who escaped, which is also totally legal, and captured them, and sent them to a weird clinic and injected them with...with whatever. At a certain point, you gotta accept you'll get dosed and the purity of your blood is in GOD's hands, or some shit, I don't know. So these shrinks in fact stop GOD from getting into their wards, only prison with no Bibles, you can't go to mass on Sunday or even think of doing so, what else...no they let you pray, they don't fuck with that...what else...dude check your mouth and ask you to stick out your tongue to prove you swallowed, that says it all. And that pill, clozapine, diminished thought, made time go by faster, starved the brain to feed the body fat, people's weight doubled on that shit, disgusting. Automatic obesity. But there was consent! Signature, you consented to this once, that's what you have to swallow every night!

So obviously if Abbott tries to poison me again, like I'm going to read the brand name, dude get real, woafs (wastes of a fuck) will poison you until they get shut down...or until they get told "your company is imprisoned, all your staff have to work out of a prison every day under surveillance, cavity search daily, no quitting no hiring, it's forced labor like ordinary prison, you go home at night, that's what you get, anybody who didn't denounce it". The real corporate jail penalty.

Only survivor in the rehab. Only one who didn't gain 40 pounds. The alpha.

EDIT: downvotes are upvotes. So what I say sounds like paranoid or whatever but yeah duh that's how I didn't get fat. Only the paranoid survive? Only the paranoid stay skinny.

Re: Biogen agrees to pay $900M to settle drug kickbacks allegations

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I really take issue with "settlements" of such a scale that don't equate to an admission of guilt. It's essentially buying a get of jail free card. If any individual were facing criminal charges, they would have to plea guilty before any easy-way-out is considered. If it would have taken a billion dollars in legal fees to prove your innocence, I'm going to take a chance and suggest that these claims likely weren't "f…

The movie "Law Abiding Citizen" [0] gives voice to similar frustrations. A very thought-provoking movie, but definitely not a good choice for "date night". [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_Abiding_Citizen

Great film with a bad ending. Jamie Foxx’s character was extremely unlikeable. He should have perished as well.

Re: Biogen agrees to pay $900M to settle drug kickbacks allegations

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Likely zero. It’s a payday for the violence monopoly. I’m very stoked for this guy though and curious what his cut is and how that is determined. Any ideas?

> The United States agrees that Relator shall be awarded a share of $250,000,000 ofthe Federal Settlement Amount paid by Biogen.

Wow, I was expecting closer to 10%, which would still have been a ton of money ($84-90M depending on if it's of the Fed cut or total). 28-30% is huge.

Re: Biogen agrees to pay $900M to settle drug kickbacks allegations

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post #2

Anyone going to jail? Money means nothing if they get charged a fraction of what they made in profits...

So in fact, when a corporation does something disgustingly criminal, like Abbott did to me twice, with Depakote and Clozapine, second time I was wise to their shit, dodged their shit, they sell shit, they're shit salesmen. Door to door. Knock knock who's there? A shit salesman. A shit salesman who? Abbott, we're doing another round poisoning you in a way that we know is wrong but will not be provable for 8 years, you…

I've always wondered if anti-psychotics were worth it for the populations taking them. Seems like a shitty choice -- dull/blunt the mind with questionable near-poison or experience the full 'richness' of a mind that society finds maladaptive.

I've never been in a position to be recommended or asked to take such drugs, but from my study of them I'm pretty sure I'd personally have probably chosen to risk dealing with reality on its own terms. Certainly a difficult choice.

Re: Biogen agrees to pay $900M to settle drug kickbacks allegations

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not sure how long they have been doing this, but even if it was only one year, the fine is too small.

And what is the right size?

They should lose patent protection on the drugs involved in the kickback scheme.

Re: Biogen agrees to pay $900M to settle drug kickbacks allegations

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

And what is the right size?

They should lose patent protection on the drugs involved in the kickback scheme.

That actually might be an interesting deterrent worth pursuing. The President and perhaps Secretary of Commerce could probably tell the US Patent Office what to do, such as invalidate a patent. Although the constitution grants these discretionary monopolies, it doesn't stipulate how, with patents being a coincidence by Congress to fulfill that and the "limited time" aspect of that article of the constitution is already fulfilled.

Re: Biogen agrees to pay $900M to settle drug kickbacks allegations

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post #6

I really take issue with "settlements" of such a scale that don't equate to an admission of guilt. It's essentially buying a get of jail free card. If any individual were facing criminal charges, they would have to plea guilty before any easy-way-out is considered. If it would have taken a billion dollars in legal fees to prove your innocence, I'm going to take a chance and suggest that these claims likely weren't "f…

Right?! The law & economics people have a good analytical framework, but by looking at everything in abstract economic terms it arguably makes corruption fungible.

Re: Biogen agrees to pay $900M to settle drug kickbacks allegations

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post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Likely zero. It’s a payday for the violence monopoly. I’m very stoked for this guy though and curious what his cut is and how that is determined. Any ideas?

> The United States agrees that Relator shall be awarded a share of $250,000,000 ofthe Federal Settlement Amount paid by Biogen.

That’s an epic reward, even if a large portion goes to legal help. How are there not more whistle blowers in big pharma? Granted, it was 7 years of hard work, but payoff is crazy.
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