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Re: Europe is in danger of rolling electricity shortages

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Post by bombcar »

sschueller wrote: post #8

Here is what Switzerland is doing at the moment to prevent the worst case which would be rolling black outs. They are planning for the worst case so they don't get caught with their pants down. This includes: - Currently trying to fill as many reservoirs as possible - Securing gas in foreign reservoirs. - Plan for emergency gas plants that can be operational by January/February, the time Switzerland has the least ele…

I wonder if it is cost effective going forward to install two meters and panels on every house with one being “essential” and the other being “intermittent” so the power company has the option of blacking out the intermittent boxes only. I’d rather have all my computers, lights, etc shut down than my whole house.

Re: Europe is in danger of rolling electricity shortages

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Post by pjmlp »

rat87 wrote: post #7
pjmlp wrote: post #5

And in the mist of this chaos they want everyone to switch to electric cars, how do they plan to charge them?

With electricity What a silly comment. The switch over to an electric cars is a multi year process that will take at least until 2030 just for new cars. The current problems won't last nearlt that long

Someone forgot the laws of physics regarding electricy production for the amount of cars in transit.

Re: Europe is in danger of rolling electricity shortages

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Post by masswerk »

flohofwoe wrote: post #9

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No, this is another agenda, if any. Energy crisis scare was already around last winter.

BTW, phasing out nuclear power plants without a suitable replacement in the high demand segment is actually a problem, which is only elevated by the problems with natural gas imports.

Re: Europe is in danger of rolling electricity shortages

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Post by Symbiote »

pennaMan wrote: post #15
bpodgursky wrote: post #3

Belgium just shut down a functional nuclear reactor: https://oilprice.com/Latest-Energy-News/World-News/Belgium-T...

Just..... Why? This is so balatanly stupid I can't find my words..

The 40 year license expires by the end of this year, and an extension wasn't granted.

Someone who can read Belgian news will need to explain why the license extension wasn't granted, and whether that makes sense.

Re: Europe is in danger of rolling electricity shortages

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Post by Someone »

bombcar wrote: post #21
sschueller wrote: post #8

Here is what Switzerland is doing at the moment to prevent the worst case which would be rolling black outs. They are planning for the worst case so they don't get caught with their pants down. This includes: - Currently trying to fill as many reservoirs as possible - Securing gas in foreign reservoirs. - Plan for emergency gas plants that can be operational by January/February, the time Switzerland has the least ele…

I wonder if it is cost effective going forward to install two meters and panels on every house with one being “essential” and the other being “intermittent” so the power company has the option of blacking out the intermittent boxes only. I’d rather have all my computers, lights, etc shut down than my whole house.

Firstly, how would you keep consumers honest about what’s essential?

Secondly, I think “essential” will depend on the duration of the blackout. For a blackout of a few hours, keeping WiFi running so that work from home can continue probably is more essential than heating a water boiler. If the blackout takes a few days, that may change.

Re: Europe is in danger of rolling electricity shortages

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hef19898 wrote: post #10

It is so funny to see all those anti-renewable lobbiests come out of the woods everybtime something happens with regard to energy that can be, somehow, blamed on renewables. Previously it was the fossil fuel lobby, now it is the pro nuclear lobby. All predict doom, everytime. And all of those fail to properly analyse the way electricity is priced on the European market, and then start looking at those special causes,…

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Re: Europe is in danger of rolling electricity shortages

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Post by xiphias2 »

sschueller wrote: post #8

Here is what Switzerland is doing at the moment to prevent the worst case which would be rolling black outs. They are planning for the worst case so they don't get caught with their pants down. This includes: - Currently trying to fill as many reservoirs as possible - Securing gas in foreign reservoirs. - Plan for emergency gas plants that can be operational by January/February, the time Switzerland has the least ele…

Here's what rich countries are doing in general: outbidding pour countries for the limited amount of resources available in the short term.

I lived in Switzerland and of course they are doing great, but Swiss people won't be the ones freezing to death in winter.

Also the amount of LPG redirected from India and Pakistan to Europe will have a huge effect on those countries.

In Hungary the country is trying to get back to wood burning and lignite (the worst type of coal), which will increase air pollution enourmously, but I believe it will the worst winter there since I was born (40 years ago).

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