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Address by the President of the Russian Federation

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Re: Address by the President of the Russian Federation

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post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> But the outcome won't change; Ukraine will ultimately win because it's not a war of choice for Ukraine and Ukraine has the allies it needs to keep fighting. how allies will help if Russia will use tactical nukes on Ukrainian forces?

He could try to play that card if he wants. Since we're going full hypothetical here I suspect he'd be removed by Russian military command if he tried. If not then it's WW3 for real; there is no 'tactical' nuke scenario that doesn't lead to a wider war.

> it's WW3 for real; there is no 'tactical' nuke scenario that doesn't lead to a wider war.

How so, why are you confident allies will declare some kind of war in such event?

Re: Address by the President of the Russian Federation

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This may very well be the eve of WW3. The latest Ukrainian victories were due to NATO forces taking over so many core operations, it's basically Russia vs NATO. This formal declaration by Russia is basically saying they are about to stop holding back. They have purposefully avoid destroying infrastructure like water and power in ukraine for an unusually long time. They also have been sending their b-c teams not their…

I don't think you're far off with your first couple of points, but I don't think the USA will try conscription, precisely because it would have destabilizing effects you mention.

Re: Address by the President of the Russian Federation

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post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> But the outcome won't change; Ukraine will ultimately win because it's not a war of choice for Ukraine and Ukraine has the allies it needs to keep fighting. how allies will help if Russia will use tactical nukes on Ukrainian forces?

If Russia uses tactical nukes then god help us all. If one though we were living in interesting times at the moment, they will soon think these are boring times. If a country invades a neighbor, claims it’s now part of their sovereign homeland while the neighbor is still actively defending, and then uses nukes based the justification their newly occupied “homeland” they just invaded is being invaded by its defenders…

> At the very least, everyone is going to get nukes

its ongoing process already. On one hand you have Iran, Israel, N Korea who developed/developing nukes, on another hand US has agreements for sharing nuclear weapons with plenty of countries already, I think American nukes deployed in several European countries right now.

Re: Address by the President of the Russian Federation

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This may very well be the eve of WW3. The latest Ukrainian victories were due to NATO forces taking over so many core operations, it's basically Russia vs NATO. This formal declaration by Russia is basically saying they are about to stop holding back. They have purposefully avoid destroying infrastructure like water and power in ukraine for an unusually long time. They also have been sending their b-c teams not their…

> They also have been sending their b-c teams not their A-list because they wanted to save them

That this comment claims this really says all one need about the comment. Russia Just admitted it was over extended and had exhausted its professional army by declaring a mobilization of reservists.

Everyone clearly knows the professional army is the C list and it’s the reservists that are the true A listers.

Re: Address by the President of the Russian Federation

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post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He could try to play that card if he wants. Since we're going full hypothetical here I suspect he'd be removed by Russian military command if he tried. If not then it's WW3 for real; there is no 'tactical' nuke scenario that doesn't lead to a wider war.

> it's WW3 for real; there is no 'tactical' nuke scenario that doesn't lead to a wider war. How so, why are you confident allies will declare some kind of war in such event?

Very. Nukes are special. There aren't really any degrees of nuance with nuclear weapons. The hysteria over fallout alone will polarize the world like it has never been polarized. Ever.

Re: Address by the President of the Russian Federation

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This may very well be the eve of WW3. The latest Ukrainian victories were due to NATO forces taking over so many core operations, it's basically Russia vs NATO. This formal declaration by Russia is basically saying they are about to stop holding back. They have purposefully avoid destroying infrastructure like water and power in ukraine for an unusually long time. They also have been sending their b-c teams not their…

> The latest Ukrainian victories were due to NATO forces taking over so many core operations, it's basically Russia vs NATO.

Evidence?

NATO is sending a lot of materiel and weapons. NATO is helping with intelligence. If that's what you mean by "core operations", maybe I can see it. More than that? Let's see the evidence.

Re: Address by the President of the Russian Federation

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post #8

Putin has no choice. He's had no choice since he started all of this in 2014; he can't back down because that outcome isn't survivable for a Russian leader. It's going to take 100,000+ dead Russians. At some point the military and civilian leadership in Russia will realize that Putin has to go, and that is when all this will end. There is a lot of death and destruction yet to go. Ukraine will struggle with hundreds o…

People said much the same about Syria, and yet Assad is still there. Ukraine would be foolish to trust the North America or Europe to support them forever, especially if even more major economic issues happen in either continent. That seems to be Putins play, he is hoping the West's internal issues sufficiently flare up. This winter will probably determine that. The only real diplomatic path is to convince China to s…

> The only real diplomatic path is to convince China to sever with Russia, and thats not gonna happen.

It’s not going to fully happen, but Putin met Xi Jinping in Uzbekistan last week, and returned a bit disappointed.

https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2022/09/16/world/vladimir-...:

“President Vladimir Putin acknowledged Thursday that China had “questions and concerns” about Russia’s war in Ukraine, a notable, if cryptic, admission that Moscow lacks the full backing of its biggest, most powerful partner on the world stage”

⇒ I don’t think Russia will get much support from China.

Re: Address by the President of the Russian Federation

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post #5

All the doublespeak is actually pretty amazing to witness... We're defending Russia but also "liberated" Kherson and Zaporizhzhia... The west is threatening us with nuclear weapons... The regime which came into power in 2014 (nevermind that Poroshenko and that whole group were voted out in a democratic election where Zelenskiy and his party, who were notably more friendly to Russia at first, came to power)...

But see, if all of Ukraine is really part of Russia, then it all makes sense. They are "liberating" occupied territory, and "defending" Russia itself.

If. But that's a psychological point in Putin's mind, not a reality in the real world. We're at the point where the pathologies of one man are driving this war.

Re: Address by the President of the Russian Federation

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It's sad to see how easily westerners are mislead by our own leaders, who ape Soviet contempt for constituents and maliciously ignore voter inputs.

You should at least make an effort to see things from the Russian point of view. To say there's nothing valid in the Russian state's actions, is really idiotic.

1) Are post WW2 borders sacred?

2) The dissolution of the USSR was chaotic, unnegotiated, and basically due to the magnanimity of Gorbachev.

3) Therefore, post USSR space resembles post-colonial Africa: former co-nationals are now minorities, depending on which post-Soviet state one examines. Armenia and Azerbaijan are good examples. Oh, but the news didn't tell you to get upset about it yet, so you have no opinion? That's why these opinions on Ukraine are so unprincipled.

4) The Turks depopulated Ukraine via the slave trade. Russia conquered the land, pushed the Turks back, and colonized E Ukraine for themselves. 18th century stuff. What I want to know is why the wokester position (the official Western "Good Guy" position, otherwise known the Party Line Winston) finds the USA's existence an affront to Native Americans and Mexicans, Israel's existence an affront to Palestinians, but cares not one whit for Poland occupying half of historic Germany, Turkey's ongoing genocide of Armenians (They back Azerbaijan, and Turkey is also a NATO power), and Greeks (threatening to invade... read proper journalists and you'll know)?

5) The West did the same thing to Serbia. The West in fact helped with the Muslim genocide of Serbians. Kosovo is the origin of Serbian culture and the Muslims overran it in the last 400 years. If you weep for the Native Americans and Tibetans, then you should care about what happened in Serbia too. Worse, the precedent is the one that the Russians used as the pretext to invade Ukraine.

6) Crimea was given to Ukraine in the 1950s by Khrushchev. It was Tatar and then it was Russian. HOW IS THAT SACRED? The same international law the US breaks constantly?

7) Remember that post-Cold War Magnanimity by Gorby? Know how people keep saying 'uh oh, if Putin loses, he'll nuke us all?' Do you really think that political shift came from nowhere? The west has been attacking Russia ever since the Cold War ended. If western idiots (sadly, most of us) haven't recognized (or are too ignorant to even know about because you don't read) the damage, that's only because you do the same thing the Russians do: slavishly listen to leaders without actually questioning the fact-stack. The US broke the promise not to move NATO eastward. That was the original sin. That was not nothing. That was as aggressive as attacking Ukraine. The demographic decline of Russia is not war damage? The economic damage of allowing China into the WTO and not Russia (when they were trying to be good) is not war damage? The use of western financial institutions to pillage Russia and financialize and control its mineral assets, while at the same time encouraging the de-industrializing of Russia is not war damage?

8) The Russians stopped the Cold War, but the US and the West did not.

9) Now they are mobilizing. They can't do it like we do: the US uses war to pillage its own people. The Russians are mobilizing the only way they can: the old fashioned way. The Russians are pushing back the only way they can: the old fashioned way.

10) Everywhere I go, supposedly intelligent people act like citizens of Oceana who can't seem to remember what happened the prior news cycle and remember only what the Wokeing class demands. Everything else goes in the memory hole.

11) THE WEST IS JUST AS BAD! CYBERPUNK IS JUST AS SH!T AS FALLOUT!

12) I didn't want any of this. The time to have stopped this was in the 1990s when the Western Trojan horse known as Chubais was busy annihilating the Russian economy. We nurtured China because their slaves were going to make our masters more profits and turn the majority of Americans from a free people with trades into a poor, welfare dependent people from the noblesse oblige of our 'elites' who shipped our manufacturing overseas... Russia has resources, China has slaves. Russia didn't play along when we tried financializing their economy and pulling it into our orbit. So now it's war.

13) To all you stubborn ignorant dummies: Good job. You have caused global starvation, European economic collapse, the annihilation of Ukraine, and it all benefits... you?

14) Hacker News is filled with beneficiaries of US policies. You can rely on a man to not understand something when his paycheck is dependent on him not understanding.

15) Keep on downvoting. The truth is a virus and I hope it destroys your brains.

Re: Address by the President of the Russian Federation

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post #13

Interesting read for anyone that might be interested: 2021 Country Reports on Human Rights Practices: Ukraine BUREAU OF DEMOCRACY, HUMAN RIGHTS, AND LABOR https://www.state.gov/reports/2021-country-reports-on-human-... https://www.state.gov/wp-content/uploads/2022/04/313615_UKRA... (I love how the downvotes have already begun not even a minute in... how is this not context to the speech? Zealots...)

american gov writing about human rights abuses around the world makes me laugh so hard my balls hurt. Thx for the links
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